Bad Wraps from Atlas. Any opinions?

ShootingArts said:
I do hate being lied to and that is what the absolute assurance that all of their specialty taps are three flute was, a flat lie. However, since the taps were at my shop and I was calling from my home an hour away, I didn't verify that until I looked at the taps several days after the call. I haven't talked to Atlas since then but the bland false statement is the reason for my real ire. The rest is just poor business on their part and leaves me inclined to buy somewhere else first but I probably would not find it worth discussing. All of this typing about it reminds me that I need to go over my invoice and the order and get this straightened out, it has been a few weeks. I might have let it slide through the cracks without you keeping it fresh on my mind. Thanks!

Hu

I know exactly what you are talking about. My shop is in a wholesale warehouse. I deal on both ends of the business. We purchase and we take orders to ship. I have found that when someone doesn't know the answer to something, sometimes they make it up rather than finding the real answer, hoping that it doesn't come back to haunt them. It doesn't happen too often but it does happen. I'm not sure if it happened in your case but that is what it sounds like to me.

I understand your disgust and irritation. This business has deadlines and you may not always have raw materials in stock. So when you make an order and it comes in wrong, its upsetting. It could cost you a sale.

I'd call Chad and work it out. Ship the wrong items back and have them credit your account for the return shipping amount. I shouldn't see any problem with that. Let us know how it turns out.
 
mixed reviews

I cut a ferule today and discovered that Ivorine four burns easily but is usable, no big deal. I also discovered that the four flute 5/16" tap loads up badly and is a pain in the butt to use in the lathe which is what I tried to avoid by ordering a three flute which normally has more relief to hold chips. However I have used the tap that was wrong and I will eventually use the Ivorine although four feet of ivory style joint material will last me almost forever in my small shop. I'll shelf or eat the rest of the order too this time. The next time I need to order from Atlas I will make the person on the other end verify item numbers on every piece. I did on most this last time but I'll try again since it is hard to be in this business and not deal with Atlas. I hate not dealing with the primary supplier of an item when I can deal with them.

I once pushed crews as large as fifty men or so and did all material ordering so I am pretty good about not getting myself in a bind on material. Special orders can burn anyone and this definitely isn't the happy time of year for people whose business relies on shipping companies but the order was just stuff I wanted to try or shelf items. I always have a fudge factor or "Murphy time" included when I promise work out anyway. Only when someone else burns up all of that time and a bit more do I start getting out of joint about orders. I lived or died by providing everything on time or a little early for years; being later than I promised something out myself, I hate!

Hu





ratcues said:
I know exactly what you are talking about. My shop is in a wholesale warehouse. I deal on both ends of the business. We purchase and we take orders to ship. I have found that when someone doesn't know the answer to something, sometimes they make it up rather than finding the real answer, hoping that it doesn't come back to haunt them. It doesn't happen too often but it does happen. I'm not sure if it happened in your case but that is what it sounds like to me.

I understand your disgust and irritation. This business has deadlines and you may not always have raw materials in stock. So when you make an order and it comes in wrong, its upsetting. It could cost you a sale.

I'd call Chad and work it out. Ship the wrong items back and have them credit your account for the return shipping amount. I shouldn't see any problem with that. Let us know how it turns out.
 
No problems with Atlas

Chad emailed me today. His reply was prompt and professional as it always has been. No problem in returning the skins. Their policy, as he explained to me is "10 days for a refund, no questions asked." To me, that's a strong policy and a company well worth buying from.
 
ShootingArts said:
I cut a ferule today and discovered that Ivorine four burns easily but is usable, no big deal. I also discovered that the four flute 5/16" tap loads up badly and is a pain in the butt to use in the lathe which is what I tried to avoid by ordering a three flute which normally has more relief to hold chips. However I have used the tap that was wrong and I will eventually use the Ivorine although four feet of ivory style joint material will last me almost forever in my small shop. I'll shelf or eat the rest of the order too this time. The next time I need to order from Atlas I will make the person on the other end verify item numbers on every piece. I did on most this last time but I'll try again since it is hard to be in this business and not deal with Atlas. I hate not dealing with the primary supplier of an item when I can deal with them.

I once pushed crews as large as fifty men or so and did all material ordering so I am pretty good about not getting myself in a bind on material. Special orders can burn anyone and this definitely isn't the happy time of year for people whose business relies on shipping companies but the order was just stuff I wanted to try or shelf items. I always have a fudge factor or "Murphy time" included when I promise work out anyway. Only when someone else burns up all of that time and a bit more do I start getting out of joint about orders. I lived or died by providing everything on time or a little early for years; being later than I promised something out myself, I hate!

Hu
What do you really want? Do you believe that sometimes mistakes can happen? As for paying the shipping, I think you may have been past the 10 day mark. Find out if it's 10 days past the ship date or the arrival date. You said:
"The next time I need to order from Atlas I will make the person on the other end verify item numbers on every piece. I did on most this last time but I'll try again since it is hard to be in this business and not deal with Atlas. I hate not dealing with the primary supplier of an item when I can deal with them." They have always recapped my orders. One might think that is how they do business. So for you having to "make the person...", that won't be an issue. If you're that unhappy after this (what appears to be) one incident, then seek someone else. Start another threat entitled, "If not Atlas, then who?". It's easier than insulting the people who help most of us on a weekly, daily, or a whenever basis.
 
Hit Man said:
Chad emailed me today. His reply was prompt and professional as it always has been. No problem in returning the skins. Their policy, as he explained to me is "10 days for a refund, no questions asked." To me, that's a strong policy and a company well worth buying from.

Chad's a good man. I'm glad you were able to get that rectified.
 
PrimoCues said:
Chad's a good man. I'm glad you were able to get that rectified.
I always deal with Chad and am very pleased with the service. I know mistakes can be made anywhere. We ship many packages a week and we get orders wrong at times ourselves. Most customers are very understanding and we try to rectify it right away. Atlas has always done the same.
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
 
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they did repeat my order

They did repeat my order. However I didn't insist on them repeating the item number every time and they didn't repeat the item number ever time. I have made it plain in earlier posts that item numbers were the issue. I also made plain that I called Atlas several days after the order. "Several days" isn't over ten. I have also made very plain what I wanted. When I have to send something back to someone because of their mistake, it should be on their dime. I have already paid to ship their mistake once, why should I be paying to ship it twice?

Crap happens. Chris Hightower's Cuesmith Deluxe arrived here with a badly bent motor flange and packing in places indicating that it had spent at least part of the trip upside down. I made Chris aware of this, repaired the damage, and went on about my business. Had the machine had other obvious problems I would indeed have expected Chris to pay for return shipping. Recently an order from Cue Components had less than half the ivory I ordered. Joe and I corrected the problem with no issues. Plain and simple when my suppliers make mistakes or have problems not of my doing I expect them to take responsibility for the problem just like I always have when I, or anyone who's actions I am ultimately responsible for, fails to take care of my customers.

It is people like you that keep dragging me back into discussion about Atlas and their behavior. I would have made one post and been done with it. To the best of my knowledge Atlas Billiards is a large outfit and I won't be dealing with that person on a regular basis so I will dot my "I"s and cross my "T"s, insist that they do the same, and deal with Atlas again when I need to. If another order comes in this fouled up I will simply retape and ship back the entire order and write off Atlas unless they are the sole supplier of an item I need.

Some humor didn't work when talking about Atlas so I have been more blunt. They shipped the most cobbled up order I have gotten in many years. It was so messed up it became funny as I unpacked it. When I called to correct the major issue the person on the other end of the phone made several false statements including that I had thirty days to correct it. Messing with this fouled up mickey mouse order is not the major priority in my world. Ten days probably has indeed expired now. It was nowhere close to that point when I contacted Atlas.

I have repeated this backwards, forwards, and sideways. I really don't know how to make it any plainer to those that keep questioning my dealings with Atlas. Anyone here have a specialty flute from Atlas with something other than three flutes? Anyone want to bet large sums that I don't have two four flute specialty taps from Atlas? The false statements and the silliness about it depending on which route I took correcting the fouled up order would determine if Atlas paid return shipping or not when their rep suggested both options are my bones of contention with Atlas. The original foul up wasn't a big deal.

Hu


PrimoCues said:
What do you really want? Do you believe that sometimes mistakes can happen? As for paying the shipping, I think you may have been past the 10 day mark. Find out if it's 10 days past the ship date or the arrival date. You said:
"The next time I need to order from Atlas I will make the person on the other end verify item numbers on every piece. I did on most this last time but I'll try again since it is hard to be in this business and not deal with Atlas. I hate not dealing with the primary supplier of an item when I can deal with them." They have always recapped my orders. One might think that is how they do business. So for you having to "make the person...", that won't be an issue. If you're that unhappy after this (what appears to be) one incident, then seek someone else. Start another threat entitled, "If not Atlas, then who?". It's easier than insulting the people who help most of us on a weekly, daily, or a whenever basis.
 
Hu,
No one is "dragging" you back into any discussion. I had questions for you and you answered them, then added your further two cents. Those were at times insulting to the people I deal with almost daily. Would you not stand up for your friends whether business or personal? (that is a rhetorical question - no reply needed) This issue is now done. Congrats.
 
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