Ball overlaps with pictures

[Vorpal Cue]

Angles > 30* revisited

If you divide the last eighth in half you can squeeze a 70* shot into the series. Then the sequence for the diagram comes out easy to remember as: 7.5, 15, 22.5, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 90 without too much loss of accuracy. Again, the last 1/16 of the ball has more angle 'dots' in it than the first quarter of the ball.

If you feel adventurous you can try this variation on your method for shots > 30*. Rather than use the edge of the CB to aim, use the dots with CCB but use the higher values in the last half of the series as the shot angle. You are now aligned exactly 1/2 ball away from the shot line. Do a half ball pivot and see if the pivot will lead you to the shot line.

I've been toying with the idea but haven't done much with it because I've been trying to concentrate on just my hybrid system with visuals instead of the location of the contact point. I call it VQWP... Visual Quarters With Pivot. If you substitute the dot selection with a visual alignment I think they're the same thing. Or at least it's pretty close to the system I tried out for Elephant Man. Meh, try it ... you may like it. If you haven't done any pivoting before it may be too confusing and time consuming to develop the pivot technique. It's probably something Hal Houle came up with years ago, who knows?

Disclaimer: I'm not responsible for any grey hairs or balls thrown through windows. Please don't shoot the messenger.


You can call me V, or you can call me C. Or you can call me VC, or you can call me Larry, but ya don'tz has teh call me Vorpal. (or Johnson)

 

[Ralph Kramden]

If you divide the last eighth in half you can squeeze a 70* shot into the series. Then the sequence for the diagram comes out easy to remember as: 7.5, 15, 22.5, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 90 without too much loss of accuracy. Again, the last 1/16 of the ball has more angle 'dots' in it than the first quarter of the ball.p

If you feel adventurous you can try this variation on your method for shots > 30*. Rather than use the edge of the CB to aim, use the dots with CCB but use the higher values in the last half of the series as the shot angle. You are now aligned exactly 1/2 ball away from the shot line. Do a half ball pivot and see if the pivot will lead you to the shot line.

I've been toying with the idea but haven't done much with it because I've been trying to concentrate on just my hybrid system with visuals instead of the location of the contact point. I call it VQWP... Visual Quarters With Pivot. If you substitute the dot selection with a visual alignment I think they're the same thing. Or at least it's pretty close to the system I tried out for Elephant Man. Meh, try it ... you may like it. If you haven't done any pivoting before it may be too confusing and time consuming to develop the pivot technique. It's probably something Hal Houle came up with years ago, who knows?

Disclaimer: I'm not responsible for any grey hairs or balls thrown through windows. Please don't shoot the messenger.


You can call me V, or you can call me C. Or you can call me VC, or you can call me Larry, but ya don'tz has teh call me Vorpal. (or Johnson)

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VC - :smile:

The line of "dots" run around the circumference of the ball.

When aiming, you aim in a linear line from center to edge.
That's why when 2 balls are very close CTE doesn't work.

When the balls are close to each other I switch to CP2CP.
OB throw will also have a strong effect on very close balls... Regards, Carl

NOTE: For anyone wondering what "dots" are.... http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=442217

Caution: below

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[Ralph Kramden]

An angle template I made that's used to recognize all pocket angles. A 15 degree cut angle is shown with the cue aligned to the CB/OB centers. The template center line points at the pocket for cuts < 30 degrees. The template edges are used for cuts >30 degrees. The CB can be moved for different pocket angles. The CB Center then aims at known OB fractions.

Make your own angle template.... Instructions link in Post #27 (page 2)

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Template Image attachment
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If you've made the template, and can recognize angles from in front of the OB, there is another way to use it.
Instead ot having to remove the template from front of the OB... place it behind the CB for a visual reference.

The template in front of the OB instills memorization. Behind the CB confirms angles found in front of the OB.

Place the template bottom (wide end) centerline under the CB, and aligned with both the CB and OB centers.
Align your cue from the OB to the pocket. Parallel shift the cue to align with the template pocketing angle line.

Play well, Carl

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[Ralph Kramden]

It's easy to see where you're coming from. However, telling a newbie pool player or a
player that lacks consistent pocketing skills to "just place the cue ball where it needs
to be" won't make him/her better. They know where it needs to be, the problem is
they don't know how to get it there. Most of us just feel how to do it, while others
spend a lifetime trying to a get feel for it.

That's where a good system can help this type of player develop some sort of feel.
After a while, he'll know exactly where the CB needs to be in order to make the shot,
and he'll know exactly how to place it there.

I messed around with the drawing a bit. (I hope you don't mind, Duckie) Anyway, it
shows the ghostball aim points (or CB placement if you prefer) and the face of ball
aim points. The ghostball aim points are located on the "Aiming Point Arc", and they
are much more difficult to focus on than aim points located on or very near the edge
of the OB. ( I know spheres have no edges, but this isn't a math course, it's pool.
Most people would understand "edge" of the ball versus outer most surface. We say
"side spin" for english, but in reality a sphere has no sides. Well, I guess it has two,
an INSIDE and an OUTSIDE.)

Ghostball aim points are out in no-mans land, ghostland, and require visualization.
Face of ball aim points are definite spots that can be seen with your eyes. It's much
easier to show/teach someone where to aim, rather than where to place the cue ball.

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Drawing attachment..... http://forums.azbilliards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=450127&d=1487433900
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Brian - I agree with everything you've mentioned about using ghost ball visualization.

The drawing in the attachment above shows both ghostball and fractional aim points.
I like to use ball fraction aiming, but not exactly as you've shown on duckies drawing.

I think about OB aim points running in a perpendicular line across the face of the OB.

I don't care for ball overlap aiming (ball overhang) for the same reasons as ghostball.

Regards, Carl

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[BC21]

I think about OB aim points running in a perpendicular line across the face of the OB.

Regards, Carl

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That's a great way to do it, because as you raise up or down in your stance the perpendicular or vertical line moves with your visual perspective of the shot.

 

[Ralph Kramden]

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Drawing attachment..... http://forums.azbilliards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=450127&d=1487433900
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Brian - I agree with everything you've mentioned about using ghost ball visualization.

The drawing in the attachment above shows both ghostball and fractional aim points.
I like to use ball fraction aiming, but not exactly as you've shown on duckies drawing.

I think about OB aim points running in a perpendicular line across the face of the OB.

I don't care for ball overlap aiming (ball overhang) for the same reasons as using GB.

That's a great way to do it, because as you raise up or down in your stance the perpendicular or vertical line moves with your visual perspective of the shot.

A vertical line, that is perpendicular to the 4 OB fraction aiming points + shown in Post #1
gives a target for CCB aiming and can be extended past the OB edge on cuts >30 degrees.

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