Banking and Kicking system that works... try it...

Jaden

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Here is a banking and kicking system that works....

It's simple and most people use it, but they make a fatal mistake...

Let me preface this by saying there is no shot in pool that requires as much feel as a bank or a kick. There are more variables in when striking a rail or multiple rails than any other shots in pool including jumps and masses.

but as a good or probably the best starting point is angle in/angle out.

Most players know it but they don't use it right and the mistake that is made is using it through center ball.

If the point on the other side of center ball was the point that made contact with the rail, then it wouldn't be an issue.

Hell, if the point on the other side of center ball was a set amount offset from the point that made contact with the rail, it would be simple to adjust...

Actually, the point that makes contact with the rail IS simple to adjust for even though it is also variable depending on the angle of approach to the rail when relative to center ball.

If you try to aim angle in for a bank or kick through center ball, expect it to NOT come at the same angle off the rail.

Some people will simply say "It will always come tight to that angle so just adjust for that..."

Yes and no, the greater the angle, the greater the disparity. This is especially true if you're trying to go rail first with a SHARP angle with the ball close to the rail.

People will try to use angle in/angle out and miss it by a mile and wonder why.

THIS IS WHY!!!!!!

You have to aim angle in/angle out through the contact point on the ball that makes contact with the rail and then parallel shift to center ball to find the center ball aim line.

I made an illustration (with exaggerated sizes to more easily show case it) that shows this concept.

If you look at the image you will see a line on the edge of the ball parallel to the rail that it will contact with.

The point on the ball that this line intersects is the point that will make contact with the rail, regardless of what the incoming angle is.

If you aim through that point on the ball, the angle going into the rail will be the same as the angle the ball takes coming away from the rail.

If you then parallel shift over to center ball, that will give you the angle you have to aim for through center ball in order for the ball to take that exit angle. The wider the approach angle, the farther from center ball you will be when finding the correct in/out angle.

Try it and see. With a medium shot and no side spin, this is accurate and gives you the best starting point for experience based feel to train your muscle memory with...

Jaden
 

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If any of you get a chance to try it out...

If any of you try it, please feel free to post your results or any questions you have about it.

If you are confused about any of my explanation of it as well, please feel free to post any questions.

Jaden
 
Always open to new ideas, I will try to do what I think you are describing.

Be prepared for some negative responses from folks who do not realize that, when it comes to kicks and banks, even the best aiming system can be completely negated by bad speed or even the slightest unintentional English.
 
MaKes Sense

I kick pretty good, but I find a tendency to under shoot a perfectly divided angle. Diagrammed I can see why this might work good because of the width of the balls. Your contacting the rail with a ball, not a contact point. Makes sense to get more accurate.
 
Here's an illustration...

Here's an illustration of a rail first kick shot that shows how disparate an aimline can be required to be in order to be accurate...

If you were to try angle in/angle out through center ball, you would bank the OB into the rail and miss by a mile.

Jaden
 

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Here is a banking and kicking system that works....

It's simple and most people use it, but they make a fatal mistake...

Let me preface this by saying there is no shot in pool that requires as much feel as a bank or a kick. There are more variables in when striking a rail or multiple rails than any other shots in pool including jumps and masses.

but as a good or probably the best starting point is angle in/angle out.

Most players know it but they don't use it right and the mistake that is made is using it through center ball.

If the point on the other side of center ball was the point that made contact with the rail, then it wouldn't be an issue.

Hell, if the point on the other side of center ball was a set amount offset from the point that made contact with the rail, it would be simple to adjust...

Actually, the point that makes contact with the rail IS simple to adjust for even though it is also variable depending on the angle of approach to the rail when relative to center ball.

If you try to aim angle in for a bank or kick through center ball, expect it to NOT come at the same angle off the rail.

Some people will simply say "It will always come tight to that angle so just adjust for that..."

Yes and no, the greater the angle, the greater the disparity. This is especially true if you're trying to go rail first with a SHARP angle with the ball close to the rail.

People will try to use angle in/angle out and miss it by a mile and wonder why.

THIS IS WHY!!!!!!

You have to aim angle in/angle out through the contact point on the ball that makes contact with the rail and then parallel shift to center ball to find the center ball aim line.

I made an illustration (with exaggerated sizes to more easily show case it) that shows this concept.

If you look at the image you will see a line on the edge of the ball parallel to the rail that it will contact with.

The point on the ball that this line intersects is the point that will make contact with the rail, regardless of what the incoming angle is.

If you aim through that point on the ball, the angle going into the rail will be the same as the angle the ball takes coming away from the rail.

If you then parallel shift over to center ball, that will give you the angle you have to aim for through center ball in order for the ball to take that exit angle. The wider the approach angle, the farther from center ball you will be when finding the correct in/out angle.

Try it and see. With a medium shot and no side spin, this is accurate and gives you the best starting point for experience based feel to train your muscle memory with...

Jaden

Is this not why you aim for the diamonds and not a point on the rail?
 
How many diamonds are there???

Is this not why you aim for the diamonds and not a point on the rail?

How many diamonds are there? and how many shots are there???

This is much more accurate than any partial system. Just like CP to CP aiming will be more accurate than fractional aiming.

Did you try it???

Jaden
 
How many diamonds are there? and how many shots are there???

This is much more accurate than any partial system. Just like CP to CP aiming will be more accurate than fractional aiming.

Did you try it???

Jaden

I will. I understand the concept. And to answer your question there are 3 diamonds between each pocket. If you're not aiming directly at a diamond then my standard practice is to aim at what ever 10th of a diamond will allow me to make the bank.

So far so good.
 
I think I actually do something that is a bit of a shortcut to this method. I play all of my banks and kicks based on where the center of the ball needs to go, so when I consider the mirrored angle off the rail, it's actually about half a ball off the rail. On a table with cloth that has been played on for a bit, you can see that line because the cloth will have worn a bit more where the rails push the balls down into the table. Using the reflection of the center ball off that line as a starting point and then compensating for speed and spin works pretty well for me.
 
Is this not why you aim for the diamonds and not a point on the rail?

Depends on the angle and the system used. In the first diagram using the Corner 5 system adjustments,
(although an exaggerated angle for the system) you would aim opposite the diamond. The second diagram
you would aim at the diamond.

The second diagram I have problems making the correct hit. I'm going to try this. Looks interesting. There's
several systems for this shot which I should but don't use. What I tend to do walk over to the OB and look back
at the CB to determine the angle and contact point. A feel system. Jaden's idea may strengthen this process.
Verification if nothing else.
 
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Did anyone have any results...

Did anyone who tried this out have any results they'd care to share.

Jaden
 
I will try it this weekend but I don't fully understand it. I'll have to read it over again to see if I can understand it.
 
I do this, but differently...I aim the contact point on the CB at the contact point on the rail...just like the contact point on a ball I'm aiming at. The adjustment is accounted for. The way you describe it works the same way...your way is a pretty cool way to align it, especially when you're talking about different angles. The steeper angles are usually the harder ones to judge, this keeps your head in the game in really judging the angle well.
 
I think I actually do something that is a bit of a shortcut to this method. I play all of my banks and kicks based on where the center of the ball needs to go, so when I consider the mirrored angle off the rail, it's actually about half a ball off the rail. On a table with cloth that has been played on for a bit, you can see that line because the cloth will have worn a bit more where the rails push the balls down into the table. Using the reflection of the center ball off that line as a starting point and then compensating for speed and spin works pretty well for me.

This is very well addressed in Dr. Dave's excellent book. :)
 
The problem with that method is the same as...

This is very well addressed in Dr. Dave's excellent book. :)

The problem with that method is the same as the problem with ghost ball or aiming half a ball width in line with the pocket behind the object ball.

That problem is the ability to accurately visualize.

Many people don't have the visual spatial acuity to accurately visualize what a half ball is from the rail.

This method eliminates that necessity.

Jaden
 
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