Banking

kaznj said:
Looking for a good source for banking. I want to improve on basic banking. I do not play bank pool or one pocket. Just want to improve basic banking.
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Joel

Looks like I have to travel East just for you.
I teach three different banking systems, one should fit your needs.

Have a great day,
randyg
 
If you improve your banking skills, you just might want to play One Pocket. How do you like them apples? :smile:
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Aiming is only one of several banks challenges, but here's the simplest way I know: using the diamonds to measure equal angles (yellow lines) and aiming short (white lines) at the diamonds on the rail to correct for the tendency to bounce wide. It's accurate for rolling kicks and banks.
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MitchAlsup:
The white lines are actually aimed at the diamonds!
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You seem surprised - was that unclear?

The diamonds are setback from the rail to compensate for the natural forward roll of the CB. So when the CB bounces off the rail it arcs forward. This arcing forward is compensated by how far off the edge of the rail the diamonds are placed.
That is you aim at where the diamonds are on the middle of the rail not on where they would be when projected to the tip of the rail.
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Yes - thanks for that additional clarification.

pj
chgo
 
cleary said:
IMO the best way to learn is to learn on the table. The object ball does different things with different speeds and spins… you just gotta get out there and pay attention. Trial and error.
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That be vewy true !...Almost all good banker's lose a step, or two..when they are forced to play pocket speed..
..as in one pocket !..(they all prefer semi-warp speed) ;)

PS..I'm sure the Beard could have easily given me a ball, or two playing banks....I once challenged him to
play 'pocket speed' banks, even..He politely declined !
 
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Good banking is played in the mind. The HAMB system (Hit A Million Banks) is the best system. :smile:
 
John Brumback is a good place to start...
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...=5fompxOi0Ke0N4GJ08MMNA&bvm=bv.94911696,d.aWw

But you'll have to adjust for conditions...Diamonds and Gold Crowns
react differently.....gotta hit balls.

And you have to be aware of ages of rubber and even the quirks of
different billiard mechanics.

I remember talking to a room owner in Tulsa a long time ago....
...he'd been a road player, made a big score and bought the room.
His best game was bank pool...on his main action table, a GC, he'd
loosened the rail bolts a quarter turn so it banked a half diamond long.
He said a young player came in and gambled with him.....
...after three shots, the guy played the table better than he did.
...told me...."I dropped that kid like a hot potato!" :eek:
 
hang-the-9 said:
Using a system for banking will run into the same issues as when you use a system for aiming, need a good table, very level stroke and no spin. No-one teaches an aiming system where you need to play position after the shot and no-one can tell you how to hit a bank to adjust for how the rails or temperature affect things, or how speed will change things.
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Hmmm ... I believe Banking with the Beard addresses all these issues. Regarding shape, he offers several "solutions" to banking any given ball, using various speed/spin/aim parameters.

Dave
 
Banking with the Beard by Freddy Bentivegna is a great book, but I would definitely start with John Brumback's DVD as he does a great job of both explaining and demonstrating how to make a few varieties of bank shots. From that, you can take those examples to the table and try for yourself.

Both of those resources have definitely improved my understanding of bank shots, if not the actual execution. :embarrassed2:

-Brian
 
pt109 said:
John Brumback is a good place to start...
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...=5fompxOi0Ke0N4GJ08MMNA&bvm=bv.94911696,d.aWw
But you'll have to adjust for conditions...Diamonds and Gold Crowns
react differently.....gotta hit balls.
And you have to be aware of ages of rubber and even the quirks of
different billiard mechanics.
I remember talking to a room owner in Tulsa a long time ago....
...he'd been a road player, made a big score and bought the room.
His best game was bank pool...on his main action table, a GC, he'd
loosened the rail bolts a quarter turn so it banked a half diamond long.
He said a young player came in and gambled with him.....
...after three shots, the guy played the table better than he did.
...told me...."I dropped that kid like a hot potato!" :eek:
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Great story. Was that McDermott, at the Palace? :)
 
I would start with Tor Lowery's Zero-X banking/kicking DVD. It provides you a simple "numbers" system for knowing the banking angle from nearly anywhere on the table.

However, it does not delve into using english/speed to alter the OB's angle off the rail. I don't have Beard's or Brumback's material, but I assume they cover that.
 
Tramp Steamer said:
Great story. Was that McDermott, at the Palace? :)
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No sir....it was pre Billiard Palace.
...small room, can't remember the name....back when Louie the Greek was the king of
Bartlesville.

He told me a few stories....remind me some time about a 3-cushion trip....
...maybe some other thread.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Using a system for banking will run into the same issues as when you use a system for aiming, need a good table, very level stroke and no spin. No-one teaches an aiming system where you need to play position after the shot and no-one can tell you how to hit a bank to adjust for how the rails or temperature affect things, or how speed will change things.
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Really?

Way off base here.

randyg
 
bmccaslin said:
Banking with the Beard by Freddy Bentivegna is a great book, but I would definitely start with John Brumback's DVD as he does a great job of both explaining and demonstrating how to make a few varieties of bank shots. From that, you can take those examples to the table and try for yourself.

Both of those resources have definitely improved my understanding of bank shots, if not the actual execution. :embarrassed2:

-Brian
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I second this. Banking with the Beard is gospel.
I use Tor zero x system, but much was left a mystery until I read Banking with the Beard.
 
cleary said:
IMO the best way to learn is to learn on the table. The object ball does different things with different speeds and spins… you just gotta get out there and pay attention. Trial and error.
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Trial and error will get you there, but you will arrive at your learning peak weeks, months or years behind those who take advantage of professional or near-professional instruction.

Any of the guys mentioned so far in this thread are the real deal; my preference is Tor Lowry due to the professional production of his lessons and his easy manner. The guy who offered $50 lessons probably knows his stuff too, with the advantage of maybe correcting other deficits during an in person lesson.

There are lots of videos on youtube at no cost, or very low cost. I think twenty bucks will get the Tor Lowry banking video downloaded, maybe twenty or thirty more for his whole set which comprises many hours of excellent instruction.

I don't have a lot of videos, but I bought some by Jimmy Reid several years ago. The banking one was not so good. When he made his bank system video he could not remember his own number system, and so the instructions were confusing and without serious value.
 
Kinnister

has a good approach to banks,not the best..it's more like the way I learned as a kid.But a lot of that stuff works.
 
That reminds me of a Dan McGoorty story I read in one of Robert Byrne's books. Dan bumped into Willie Hoppe, who was practicing the diamond system named after himself, from shot diagrams from his own book. He looked up, and said You know, Dan, it works but you gotta have a perfect stroke. Dan McGoorty de-rided the "systems" that were outthere, and thought all the Pros learned by hitting a million balls (HAMB), until they knew instinctively.

That being said, I think lessons and insights from books (such as Banking with the Beard) can shave time off the learning process.

Texdance said:
Trial and error will get you there, but you will arrive at your learning peak weeks, months or years behind those who take advantage of professional or near-professional instruction.

Any of the guys mentioned so far in this thread are the real deal; my preference is Tor Lowry due to the professional production of his lessons and his easy manner. The guy who offered $50 lessons probably knows his stuff too, with the advantage of maybe correcting other deficits during an in person lesson.

There are lots of videos on youtube at no cost, or very low cost. I think twenty bucks will get the Tor Lowry banking video downloaded, maybe twenty or thirty more for his whole set which comprises many hours of excellent instruction.

I don't have a lot of videos, but I bought some by Jimmy Reid several years ago. The banking one was not so good. When he made his bank system video he could not remember his own number system, and so the instructions were confusing and without serious value.
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Texdance said:
Trial and error will get you there, but you will arrive at your learning peak weeks, months or years behind those who take advantage of professional or near-professional instruction.

Any of the guys mentioned so far in this thread are the real deal; my preference is Tor Lowry due to the professional production of his lessons and his easy manner. The guy who offered $50 lessons probably knows his stuff too, with the advantage of maybe correcting other deficits during an in person lesson.

There are lots of videos on youtube at no cost, or very low cost. I think twenty bucks will get the Tor Lowry banking video downloaded, maybe twenty or thirty more for his whole set which comprises many hours of excellent instruction.

I don't have a lot of videos, but I bought some by Jimmy Reid several years ago. The banking one was not so good. When he made his bank system video he could not remember his own number system, and so the instructions were confusing and without serious value.
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The guy who offered $50 lessons also offered money back if not happy
Then this Jack ss insults me with $3.50 an hour
 
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