Barry Szamboti cue deal through Chenz gone bad

Seller stated he was selling a Bary Szamaboti cue for a friend. Both shafts are not original Barry Szamboti shafts. The cue itself is not a Barry Szamboti but is in fact a Gus Szamboti cue.

Apparently Seller didn't know for sure what he was selling for a friend. Seller wasn't trying to rip anybody off, only trying to sell a cue for a friend.

Since its a Gus now seller offers full refund and refuses to pay for shafts. Buyer refused refund since its now a Gus and complains about seller not paying for shafts.

GREED what an amazing thing!
 
The more I find out about this cue the more I am amazed about the whole thing.

All of these dealers, collectors, experts didn't know it was a Gus and that the shafts weren't original is just unbelievable! The first thing I look at a cue is are the shafts the same lenght as the cue. When it was clear that the shafts were longer than the cue somebody should of asked Barry then and sent the cue for authentifcation. This should of been done several owners ago.

Now that everybody knows its a Gus they all want the cue.

Its the sellers own fault he didn't know what the cue was. The seller should of replaced the shafts with Barry shafts (before finding out it is a Gus). When the seller found out it was a Gus he should of kicked his own ass. Sellers should know what they are selling and make amends when cues don't have original shafts.

This is just my opinion and everybody has one. I guarntee you if I was the seller I would of replaced the shafts and laughed at my self when I found out later that it was a Gus. I wouldn't care if it cost me 10,000.00 its just the principle of the whole thing.
 
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yep. That was me. And that's still the case.

I was just hoping that some of you might have enough common sense to realize that unless your name is bobco or chenz, or you were privvy to all of this as it transpired, you have just about as much knowledge as to what the real facts are as the rest of us.

So jumping in and saying that chenz's intent was to mislead the buyer is ridiculous and foolish.

wrong again....
 
wrong again....

No. Not really. If you know Vinny and all the details of this deal and you are so sure that Vinny's intent was to rip someone off, why not share with us the intimate details of what you know AND how you came to know it???

Otherwise, you're just a guy who picked a dog in this fight that had nothing to do with you.
 
Question to the folks that know the value of cues:

How much more is the "Gus" worth compared to the price paid?

If it's worth more than the value of the shafts in question, shouldn't the buyer be happy?
 
Question to the folks that know the value of cues:

How much more is the "Gus" worth compared to the price paid?

If it's worth more than the value of the shafts in question, shouldn't the buyer be happy?

Perhaps, but where do you draw the line?

My feeling is that if someone said they'd replace the shafts, they should do what they originally promised, if for no other reason than I believe a person should do what they say they are going to do.

If people would just do what they promised more often, there would be a lot less of these threads, wouldn't there? :cool:

Food for thought... If the shafts had been paid for/replaced as promised, and then 1 year down the road it was discovered the cue was a Gus and not a Barry, would anyone think "Oh in that case you should send back the money for the shafts"? Of course not. Finding out that the cue is a Gus now gives the seller perhaps an excuse to back out on his word (to replace the shafts) and I see how the seller would regret accidentally selling it for the price of a Barry, but to me it just seems like a way to pressure the buyer into letting the seller get away with breaking their word (by calling them "greedy").

It's the seller's fault if they sold a cue with the wrong shafts.
It's the seller's fault if they sold a cue represented as a Barry that was a Gus. They might regret it, but that's not the buyer's fault.

Of course I can see how the seller might feel he is justified in backing out on his word, and that's debatable. Some people agree, some disagree. But if the seller had just done what he promised (replacing the shafts) whether the cue was a Gus or not, 100% of people would respect that and feel safe in dealing with the seller in the future.

This is of course assuming that it was in fact promised to the buyer that the shafts would be replaced, which it sounds like, but I haven't seen the PMs so I wouldn't bet my life on it :grin-square:
 
off topic - just my thoughts wrong or right, however...

however; but:

*q u a l i t y!*

i just admire all of the posters here for their thoughts and how well they expressed and presented them.

i'm gonna try to remember this thread the next time my blood boils [actually i'm more prone to "blood nuclear detonation"] and i 'shoot first and sort the rest out later' kind of behavior...

i think you all showed great restraint and behavior. ALL!

no need nor possible to say more, except...

thank you all and 'lesson learned' [i hope],
smokey
 
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The truth shall set you free!!!

I have seen the pm's,and do believe that Bobco729 is telling the truth!! I also think he is owed 2 shafts!! Bobco has never lied to me about anything!
 
just my opinion... nothing more...

i would wait for nyc cue dude to chime in.

i guess he is stuck, so we have not heard from him.

i'm an optimist and i wish for everybody to come out clean.

but it is not right to fault anybody when we do not have the 'clear' info to do that.

otherwise we are nothing more than a hanging party.

let's wait before we can possibly hang someone. i think Rg is a lawyer. it's true i hate lawyers, but sometimes we need to set our minds in order.

imho, best,
smokey
 
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