Battle of the Bull Roanoke VA Drama

Pete Rose

Banished

Pool needs to start banishing people for cuase!

Pool certainly is not better than baseball in terms of image and integrity!

My point is that Jesus was verbal mistreated! His abuser has zero punishment for his behavior and nothing in the works!

Just my opinion!

Let's not forget the Robb saez situation and the Carlo Biado situation on a critical shot!

History tells no lies!

Kd



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I would tend to agree, unless there was something instituted like a few other major sports have, such as 🤢 sensitivity training 🤢. I know it sounds stupid, but making a person do SOMETHING, ANYTHING to prove that they have been rehabilitated is better than nothing at all. Kyle Larson using the N word is the latest instance that comes to mind. Messed up, banned for a year, did an apology tour, took some sensitivity training, changed his whole look, and now look at him, back in the game and on top of the sport. For the record, I’m not a Kyle Larson fan. I severely dislike him, to put it mildly. But he did things the right way and you have to give the man his props. That should be a blueprint for anyone that has messed up big time and needs a life change.
 
Money purses to the level of Golf and Tennis. Please... not in our lifetime.
I agree. Sadly. But I agree. Pool and billiards, being as old as it is, is still in the toilet in the US. I guess we could all just be in APA and BCA leagues forever and happy with the crumbs that fall from the table. 🤷
 
I agree. Sadly. But I agree. Pool and billiards, being as old as it is, is still in the toilet in the US. I guess we could all just be in APA and BCA leagues forever and happy with the crumbs that fall from the table. 🤷
It's in the toilet globally compared to Golf and Tennis. Are you intentionally trying to single out and bash America? If Matchroom keeps doing what they are doing we will see some incremental growth. The Billy Thorpe's of the game having drunken outbursts aren't going to move the needle one way or the other since no one except the cult following is watching.

Here's a big problem:
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Pool is the fringe. Boring AF to the vast majority
I’ve actually had many people tell me that pool is “easy” and “a bar game”. I think that’s part of the problem too. Non players don’t understand the skill level it takes to run racks, shoot defense, etc. Take golf, for example. It’s player outdoors, against the elements, on courses that bend and twist, with sand traps. It looks difficult. And it is. But it’s a game that looks like it takes a great level of skill. Pool doesn’t. Flat table. Piece of wood, fancy or not, with a piece of leather on the end. Whack a white ball into a colored or striped ball, and into one of six pockets on a small table. Where’s the challenge in that? No elements, no twists and turns, no sand traps, nothing. The average person doesn’t understand the physics and geometry that makes up the beauty of the game. That’s what we as a pool community have failed to do - make the common man understand that pool is an art and a science, and that’s why we love it, and if you understand it, it’s a beautiful thing to behold a great player make it look super easy. That’s the failure on our part, as promoters.
 
I’ve actually had many people tell me that pool is “easy” and “a bar game”. I think that’s part of the problem too. Non players don’t understand the skill level it takes to run racks, shoot defense, etc. Take golf, for example. It’s player outdoors, against the elements, on courses that bend and twist, with sand traps. It looks difficult. And it is. But it’s a game that looks like it takes a great level of skill. Pool doesn’t. Flat table. Piece of wood, fancy or not, with a piece of leather on the end. Whack a white ball into a colored or striped ball, and into one of six pockets on a small table. Where’s the challenge in that? No elements, no twists and turns, no sand traps, nothing. The average person doesn’t understand the physics and geometry that makes up the beauty of the game. That’s what we as a pool community have failed to do - make the common man understand that pool is an art and a science, and that’s why we love it, and if you understand it, it’s a beautiful thing to behold a great player make it look super easy. That’s the failure on our part, as promoters.
Okay, sounds like you are up for the task at hand.

Please get the ball rolling (pun intended) an kindly let us Americans know how we can help.
 
It's in the toilet globally compared to Golf and Tennis.
You do realize that snooker players make an ass-load of money, right? That’s a billiard sport. Ran by great organizations. With their own issues over the years, yes, but overall super respectable and heavily promoted. I’m American so no I’m not bashing America. I’m just pointing out the obvious.
What’s the problem with that picture? Can you clarify? Is it the diversity of the people, or…?
 
You do realize that snooker players make an ass-load of money, right? That’s a billiard sport. Ran by great organizations. With their own issues over the years, yes, but overall super respectable and heavily promoted. I’m American so no I’m not bashing America. I’m just pointing out the obvious.

What’s the problem with that picture? Can you clarify? Is it the diversity of the people, or…?
A select few snooker players make an ass-load of money... The rest make money by doing all kinds of things... from selling cues, to... throwing games... :devilish:🤐

The world is easy for those in the 'clic' - MR brings eyes, but it would be foolish to not observe who is afforded opportunities, who is pushed etc. It's a step in the right direction, not the complete package... The eyes are great for attracting money, and a much needed injection of some professionalism in-line with the rest of the sporting world is needed to do that.

Hungarian is pertaining to the point that the WPA couldn't organise a proverbial piss up in a brewery...
 
You do realize that snooker players make an ass-load of money, right? That’s a billiard sport. Ran by great organizations. With their own issues over the years, yes, but overall super respectable and heavily promoted. I’m American so no I’m not bashing America. I’m just pointing out the obvious.

What’s the problem with that picture? Can you clarify? Is it the diversity of the people, or…?

Yes, Snooker pays better than 10 ball, 9 ball, 8 ball, 7 ball, 6 ball 3 ball 1 ball, no ball and one pocket combined. See graphic for 2022.

But your premise is that purses in pool should be as big a golf and tennis.

Snooker or any pool discipline listed are no where close to golf or tennis.

You have moved the goal post.

Picture is the WPA.

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I remember Keith Mcready woofing at some filipinos to gamble at a tournament in CT in the early 2000s. Pretty sure he looked over at us, smiled, and said something about getting these Filipinos to gamble. Didn't think it was racist and didn't think the Filipinos thought so either. Times change I guess, not necessarily for the better.
Been in an action bar or two and there was always the culture clash. Never got beyond hilarious references; more like a sit com. The Mcready in question included.
 
Your examples of the fringe aren’t the norm in Europe.
And Billy Thorpe is not the norm in the U.S. So double standards?
Sure, Euro league has had its issues, as has Darren and Ronnie, but again, that’s not the norm. Just like it’s not the norm in most places for outbursts in sports outside of “professional” wrestling.
Golf biggest star, by far, publicly cheated in his wife, sought treatment for sex addictio, then got high on pain pills and wrecked his car. Arguably Golf's second biggest star has admitted to losing MILLIONS ON GAMBLING.

The second biggest tour in pro golf is funded by those that santioned the murder of an innocent journalist. Yet you continue to use golf as your gold standard.
Your judgment that I’m doing anyone a disservice is your opinion only, I meant no such thing. But if you want to be truthful, convince me that the reason US pool can’t grow is because we eat our own. That’s the real problem.
what does this even mean? Name one individual sport that doesnt eat their own.
There are a very, very few selfless - or at least not completely selfish - people I’ve met in the industry, but they’re few and far between.
get out more. I have met room owners who hold fundraisers for the homeless, offer free pool for youths...I have met bar owners who open their coin operated pool tables for entire weekends to promote pool, the pool industry is full of people who would give you the shirt off their backs...they just don't get as much notice as the others.
And the real tragedy of it all is that the selfish masses far, far outweigh the selfless few. And that in a nutshell is why pool will never have the money purses of golf or tennis.
you are so off here that i dont know how anyone could explain it so you would understand... Pool is not, and never will be, on the same level as golf or tennis. It is on the same level as bowling, rythmic gymnastics, darts, and cornhole.

Just because You and I really, really like it and love to play it, does not make it a hugely marketable sport...at least not on the level as golf and tennis. Could pool become as popular in the us as snooker is overseas? Possibly, but not probably. There is too much competition for the consumers time and money.
We’re just a school of piranha who’ve developed a taste for other piranha, eating our own.
Again, how the heck are we eating our own? What are US players doing that other nationalities aren't? Name me one US player that gambles more than the average Filipino. Does pool have an image issue there?

Look, I certainly don't mean to be disrespectful, And your passion for the sport we all love is apparent from your posts.

But to make the assertion that it is up to the Euro's to save pool, ESPECIALLY when the MC is right around the corner is mighty suspect.
 
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I agree. Sadly. But I agree. Pool and billiards, being as old as it is, is still in the toilet in the US. I guess we could all just be in APA and BCA leagues forever and happy with the crumbs that fall from the table. 🤷
We should be playing for entertainment, the love of the game. None of us should even be thinking about making a living off pool.
 
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