BCA Hall Of SHAME: No Ronnie Allen?

Should Ronnie Allen Be In The Hall Of Fame

  • YES

    Votes: 26 96.3%

  • NO

    Votes: 1 3.7%
  • Total voters
    27
hemicudas

hemicudas

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How can the voting members of the BCA ignore the accomplishments of the greatest one pocket player ever to walk the earth, Ronnie Allen? How can the BCA voting members, with a clear conscience, leave out of the Hall Of Fame the greatest one handed player to ever walk the earth, Ronnie Allen? Rhetorical questions? Of course they are because the voting members of the BCA are either illinformed, have all lost money to Mr. Allen or just flat refuse to listen to the legends of our time who keep telling them Ronnie Allen belongs in the Hall OF Fame.

I have seen virtually all of the champions of Ronnie Allen's era as well as most of the champions of today play and no one, then or now, has the total knowledge of the game of pocket billiards that Ronnie Allen has.

Ronnie Allen deserves to be in the Billiard Hall Of Fame as much as Pete Rose deserves to be in Baseball's Hall Of Fame. The only difference is Ronnie Allen has never done anything that would keep him out of the HOF.
 
hemicudas said:
Ronnie Allen deserves to be in the Billiard Hall Of Fame as much as Pete Rose deserves to be in Baseball's Hall Of Fame. The only difference is Ronnie Allen has never done anything that would keep him out of the HOF.
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My vote is one of the ones up there saying that he does belong in the HOF, so don't get me wrong when I say this, but if dumping matches and stakehorses like a dump truck falls into the category of something that might keep someone out of the HOF, your above statement might not be entirely accurate! :D
 
SLAMMA-JAMMA, Is that a dead giveaway or what?

This is going to be tuff because, looking at your (putting it politely) illogical statement logically, the only way anyone would or could "Know" for sure "Business" was being done is if "YOU" were "IN" on it. Otherwise you are stating something you merely "Believe" happened or "Hearsay" from another person who lost money, for what-ever reason, betting on or against Ronnie. Even though you don't give any clue to your e-mail address, area or other info that would lend you credibility. You do list your birthdate as D-day, 1966. Ironically, the same year Ronnie Allen won the Straight Pool, 9Ball, One Pocket and All Around Championship at the Stardust in Las Vegas. Assuming you are either truthful and you were "IN" on this "DUMPTRUCK" action you knowingly speak of without giving any date, time, or any other names of people who lost money. Or you are misguided and hiding behind your anonymity.

Either way, you are (1) a thief if you were "IN", or (2) a "Slandering Sniper" that, like all too many here, have no proof other than the standard, "Well I heard" crap and post it as if they were "Enlightening" someone. All the while hiding in obscurity.

The same slander you assign Mr. Allen has been assigned to every top pool player on earth at one time or another. Every time someone loses "Their" money it has nothing to do with their inability to match-up a game, it is always, "He Dumped Me". It Really is easier to blame someone else for your stupidity.
 
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Many deserving folks have been passed up.

This is the way it works.

Sometime in Jan. or Feb. 2004, a pole will go out for names to be submitted, for the HOF...

After is goes to the HOF,commttee, they then narrow it down to a few. From that point on, we the members of the BCA, then cast our votes. The cast votes are sealed and mailed to a CPA, firm, and they in turn report the results to the BCA.

Mr. Mike Shamos is chair person for the Hall of Fame.

These peole can only do what is ask of them. They try to be fair.

blud
 
Appreciate the post Blud. True, many deserving folk have been left off and out of the HOF. But, none of these deserving people have been the "Best Ever" at their chosen specialty. I/E, Mosconi, Straight Pool. HOF member. Eddie Taylor, Banks. HOF member.

Ronnie Allen not only was the greatest One Pocket player ever, he was the greatest One Handed player ever. And this for the uninformed. Ronnie Allen has 2 hands. What we are talking about is spotting other players by only shooting with 1 hand to the other players 2 hands.

To quote another top player. "Ronnie ( Fast Eddie Allen ) deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. He deserves it, justice demands it... Jimmy Reid

Jack (Jersey Red) Breit told it like it is (or was), he said; " With plastic balls, Ronnie Allen is the greatest one pocket player of all time."

I hope Ronnie Allen lives to be 100+ years old but their are no guarantees to longevity. I just hope the voting members of the BCA, you included Blud, wake up and finally appreciate the accomplishments of this, "Best Ever" at "2 Different Games" player while he is still with us. I personally thank you Ronnie for the many hours of education you have, willingly or not, given me and so very many other spectators.
 
Imo, the greatest One Pocket player of all time is already in the Hall.
Efren's the best one-pocket player of all time imo. Ronnie used to rob Efren when Efren was just starting to play one-hole.
Months later Efren robbed him.
Now, Efren would spot him 10-7 easily.
Efren plays mean one-handed or opposite handed game too. I've seen him run out last pocket 8-ball shooting opposite handed or one-handed.
 
Joseph Cues, don't know how old you are JC, my birthday is listed 1/18/48 in my biography so I have seen both Ronnie in his prime and living in Chicago when Efren came to this country in 1980, he also lived there, I have seen Efren in his prime. As you said IMO and many, many others, Ronnie was a better One Pocket player than Efren. As I have stated earlier, Ronnie won the straight pool, 9 ball, one pocket and all around in 1966, 14 years or so before Efren got here. That was Ronnie's prime. If you saw him play in 1966 then I respect your opinion, though I disagree.
 
Hemi,
OK, I'll ask Little Al Romero who the best one-holer is.
Little Al beat Ronnie one time in LA. Ronnie was being staked by the pool hall owner. The pool hall owner lost his rent money and his pool hall.:D
 
i have heard the name, but that's about it.

so let me ask a question,,,just to fill me in....
how "public" was RA? did he compete frequently in tournaments or did he confine his playing to local rooms and as a road player, like that guy "the cincinnati kid", of whom no one can attest just how good he was becuase he never showed his speed....................because there seems to be two kinds of "pool greats". one,,,the ones we all know about,,,the mosconis, mizeraks, rempes, sigels, reyes', stricklands, hopkins', etc, all tournament players,,,,and two, the ones we hear stories about. which was allen?
 
How are ya Bruin? What I would suggest is, next time you see or speak to any of the players you name, save Mosconi of course, ask them who is the greatest one pocket player of all time as well as the best one handed player of all time. Joseph Cues suggests he will ask "Little" Al Romero. What I would also suggest is you ask a bit more noted "Little" David Howard or Buddy Hall or Grady Matthews or the legendary, greatest Bank Pool player ever, Eddie "Knoxville Bear" Taylor or even Ronnie's road buddy, Keith McCready. Don't take my word for anything I was just a shortstop when I played. Ask the people who are "Old Enough" to have seen them all. For all you N.W. U.S.A. residents, ask Dan Louie. And lastly, for all you "Snipe Hunters" out there, ask C.R. "Bucktooth" Cook.
 
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Hermi, I think you are suffering from Nostalgia over eyesight syndrome.:D
Back in the mid 90's, Efren was already spotting Keith 10-7.
I highly doubt if any one-holer ever could have done that.
 
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What is the criteria for HOF selection? It seems that the criteria can hold both the best and the second best..... even the tenth best player.

If not this year, then maybe next year.
 
Joseph Cues said:
Hermi, I think you are suffering from Nostalgia over eyesight syndrome.:D
Back in the mid 90's, Efren was already spotting Keith 10-7.
I highly doubt if any one-holer ever could have done that.
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Back in the mid 90s? Children.
 
To Joseph Cues,

Please, your so full of it. I met you in Vegas in Aug. of this year. I don't think your old enough to have seen either of them play one hole, in the 80's? What was your age at that time????
I would say about 9 or 10 at the most?

Making you about 32 years old today, at the most.

What pool room did this take place at, and when?? Who beat who???????How were they matched up.

Come on Mr. Expert, and tell us, when, where and how it came down. Please, do not go by what you heard. Go, by what "YOU" personally was privey too. If possible?

Did you see them play at Red's????What town is Red's located in??? What year did it go down in?????

Efrin won the tournament at RED's what year????Ronnie was there...so was Grady, buddy and jimmy, and DiLiberto, Louie, and on and on............

Did you see them play at starcher's, Chris's, The billiard cafe, or at Gomer's place, or even Jimmy's place in Kentucky? What pool-room??

When Ronnie or Eddy Taylor were in their prime, it would of been no contest.

Your green behind the ears, pal. You have not a clue as to what your talking about. Your just another guy, who wants to be in the lime light.

You had to be, just a meer thought when this took place.

I just wish you could of been there when Ronnie Allen beat every som bitch, that came along.

We were all in Houston, when Ronnie beat all comers.....Do you remember that????What year was that????Your so up on things, who was GS.?????????
Yes, G S. ??? He and Ronnie played for several years, who came out on top??? I don't think you know.

What was the most famous bet ever made between GS, and Grady. What was the race, and what did they do for the bet, and how much did they bet???

Grady, spoted him 1, going to 10. What did they do for the bet, and who won????????

You are no expert in this catagory. Please, stop your bull shit.

The best one hole player many years ago, [all will testify to that] was the "Bear", Eddy Taylor. I was there, saw that, been there, done that. Please , Joseph Cues, your way off base.

How good was Grady in his prime?? Beat every som-bitch who could breath.

Who beat him, back then. Who did he beat??? How many years was he on top????

Who beat CS, and what kind of spot did it take???

Do you even know who CS, is??? You being the expert, you sholud know.

C S------.

You are going by rumors and bull shit.........

My question to you is, do you know anything about cues, cause you sign your name as such, "joseph cues" ???????

Do you build cues?????Do you sell them, or what????

Is this just your "stage" name?? Joseph Cues....

When it comes to the history of our game and players, you know nothing at all.

I, for one am tired of your running your head about the players and history of our game.

I am sorry ladies and gents, if i seem out of line. I just get tired of these guys talking bull shit, and not knowing what really went down, when, where, and how........

Blud
At 63, I have seen a lot. Got a lot more to see.............
 
YOU TELLUM BLUD.......GS.......OOOO......You think the kid can even say "Freight Train" Blud? Yea,,,he probably saw him play at Benzingers in Chicago,,,LOL,,,,,,$Bill
 
I'll put in my two cents worth of recommendation for Jersey Red for the HOF
 
L.S. Dennis said:
I'll put in my two cents worth of recommendation for Jersey Red for the HOF
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Why L.S.? Because Red said Ronnie Allen was the greatest One Pocket player of all times? Just kidding L.S. Red was a great player himself but to again quote Jack "Jersey Red" Breit. " With plastic balls, Ronnie Allen is the greatest one pocket player of all time."
 
hemicudas said:
With plastic balls, Ronnie Allen is the greatest one pocket player of all time.
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Hemicuda, thanks for directing me to this thread about the nomination process for Pool Hall of Fame. Is there a website or somewhere that I could find out more information about the nomination/voting process and members?

I never had the pleasure of actually seeing Ronnie Allen in the flesh when he was in his prime. I do respect him as a great player, one-handed, two-handed, one-pocket, and all the rest. I have had very recent interactions with Ronnie, though. Some pool greats have taken off in other directions, even in other industries, to earn a living because, AS WE ALL KNOW, there ain't much of a future in pool as of this date. It is sad to see a legend like Ronnie living with friends, like Tony in Vegas and others, never capitalizing on his wonderful talents enough to ensure himself a secure future or retirement.

In order to make a living these days, like Mike Sigel, Nick Varner, Johnny Archer, Earl Strickland, and many other pool greats, one must find another vehicle to bring in the dough. Pool tournament payouts are probably the lowest, next to weiner dog racing, sad to say.

It is gratifying for us older folks to still see Ronnie Allen's name popping up in tournaments in Nevada, California, and Texas. He must still pack a mean punch and still competes whenever possible. I cannot think of anyone who is more deserving to be nominated, and elected, into the Hall of Fame than Ronnie Allen. I hope the Hall of Fame Committee is representative of the pool public and not just another political vehicle. And I hope, and intend, to learn more about the voting process.

Oh, Hemicuda, I'm no spring chicken, but I ain't heard of the balls referred to as "plastic balls." As opposed to clay balls, I guess? But I did used to own a nice silver-and-black 340 'Cuda back in the early '70s. Ah, those WERE the days!

ManlyShot
 
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