Bca league payouts ....how much should the div. Rep get

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POOL724

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This was the final week of a 22 week league . We played on a 3 man league ....12 teams in the division ...total pay in for dues was $6336.00 for the 22 weeks ..... That is $8.00 per person / $24.00 per team each week ......we took first place and recieved $990.00 ....The div. Rep. recieved ...$1386.00 out of the total sum of dues .....I am not sure but something doesnt sound right ....that is to say the numbers don't add up right. The division Rep made more than the first place team ......I would like input from people of this ....thank you
 
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What was the pay off for the other teams??

But right off hand ,,Div. rep was paid $1000 for a league that collected 6000 seems a bit steep!! They are paying themselves approx. $50 per week to run it??
 
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POOL724 said:
This was the final week of a 22 week league . We had a 3rd man league ....12 teams ...we had a total pay in for dues 6336.00 for the 22 weeks ..... That is 8 dollars each 24th.00 per team ......we took first place and recieved $990.00 ......total .....330.00 a piece...... The div. Rep. Recieved ...$1386.00 .....I am not sure but something doesnt sound right ....that to mean sound like the teams are getting ripprd off ......I would like input from people of this ....thank you
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I don't personally think the rep should make more than the 1st place team just for organizing it. Maybe he gets free dues for himself each week. And then pay someone to do the stats each week..... the stats takes much of the work, but you can find someone for a lot less thean $1400 to that...
 
No, actually

that sounds about right. Have any of you ever run leagues? He is paying hisself $63 a week. Doing the calcs and stats on a computer takes time.
Producing schedules, leader boards, delivering league packets, gas money, paper costs, possibly software program cost, answering questions and calls from league members.

At minimum wage, this figures out to be less than 9 hours a week.
22 weeks x 9 hours a week is 198 hours total work for him.

All I am saying it takes more time and effort than what most of you think it does.

(I say these things from not running a league, but producing a billiard newsletter for 3-4 years. If I broke even on it, I was lucky, and I did not get paid for my time, my gas, etc.. My newsletter was 6 pages long every other month, and I printed 1500 copies, and delivered to league operators and all the main Poolrooms. I had to sell 2 full pages of advertising to break even every issue because the color printer cartridges were so expensive, not to mention 5 days and nights of printing to print 9,000 pages on my equipment, paper costs) - Oh, and I had a one page summary of every tournament being held listed including weekly tournaments, even 3 ball tournaments besides 8 and 9 tournaments, with entry fee, payouts, race to ?, etc.. I also wrote all the articles, tournament reports, tips, but had some help for the pictures included.
 
Well, we just finished our 4th season in the BCA Champions League and it is a TON of work to run a league. I only paid myself $150 to run the entire league for 20 weeks.

The total payouts are here: http://www.azpoolscene.com/ChampionsLeague/WedTeamStandings.aspx

I think I should probably pay myself somewhere in the $800-$1000 range for a payout of $7000, but I made a committment to the players to pay out as much as possible. (And guess what, all I hear is *****ing and complaining from people that didn't get enough) It really is a thankless job sometimes!
 
He should have kept 6000.00 and paid out 336.00, just to put up with you whiney so and sos............

Really, people rarely see what it takes to put these things together and make them run smoothly.

If you think he made too much, start your own show....see what it actually takes in terms of time and effort and having to listen to the moaning and groaning. JMHO
 
In addition to some of the things that were already mentioned.
League Operators have to actually put teams together,
Contact team captains,
Find subs,
Figure out table assignments,
Fill out all the registration fees to the national league,
Get everyone sanctioned (include mailing in payments for every player)
Team Shirts for league and/or nationals.
Working with Room Owner,
Printing and Filling out Scoring Sheets,
Making Rules,
Handling all money, including opening bank accounts and managing all expenses, keeping records of what each and every team paid each week (Because people are always short, missing players, subs that don't pay, etc.)
They have to watch shots,
Make Rulings mid match (All while probably trying to play and have fun themselves),
Handle any Banquet, payouts, trophies, plaques, etc.
Manually entering every single game into a computer,
Printing standings both individual and team,
Calculate averages, handicaps, etc.
Come to league early, often leave late 20+ weeks in a row.
Handle stuck balls, jammed tables, 8-ball breaks, etc.
Get to the room early and make sure all the equip is functioning,
Getting players registered for Regional and National Tournaments,
Negotiate room owner to give a team drinks/food,
and more that I'm forgetting.

It's a ton of work and $50/week is nothing for the effort in my opinion!
 
I don't run a BCA league, but I run a beginners "Get-A-Cue" league that had about 30'ish players. It did become a job, more than I realized. I didn't pay myself a dime, didn't give myself free dues, or anything like that. I agree with Jerry...there is SOO much that goes into running a league, I can only imagine a money league being way more work than the league I ran.

Absolutely think they should get paid more, but know that won't happen because people won't play in a league like that...well...money players won't anyway.
 
I owned & operated an APA franchise for a few yrs.
At that time we collected $5/man/week.
From that we had to pay for the franchise royalties, the software, round trip flight to Vegas, 1 wk at the Riv. and a banquet at the end of every session.
Where do you think that money comes from?
One of my partners, who also worked as a pro truck-driver, left because he could make more money driving just one weekend than what he got from the league for a whole session ( 3 sessions/yr).
Seriously, the players have no idea what it takes to run a league and what the operator has to put-up with. All the whining & crying about skill levels and the money is one reason I gave it up.

For the player, if it's all about the money, you're going about it all wrong.
Give up the leagues and just go out and gamble.
You can control all of your money and you'll be involved in every rack, not just when it's your turn in the rotation. Plus, you can do it when you want to and not just when you have to.
 
wow

I'm considering being a LO. Might have to reconsider....
The replies to the OP are enlightening.
Karl
 
Ok ....I never said it was the league owner
The rep doesn't deliver packets
Doesn't sign us up for nationals
Doesn't call room owners
Doesn't really know the bca rules has to ask owner


All the rep does is pick up score sheets and put in stats...oh and we have a mid season
And end of the season tournament which we get 8 to 12 people to show up....which takes a couple hours.......we have no playoffs

We have a few places to drop off score sheets and money
The Rep picks them up once a week.

My issue is the Rep was paid more than the first place team......all I wanted to ask is this normal for a 1 night rep to get paid more than the first place team
 
Wow

I am the league operator for BCA #874. I pay myself $125 for a 40 week league. This year we collected $13650. But I also run the league because of my passion for pool so id probably do it for free lol. See you guys next week in Vegas.
Angel
KCBCA.COM
 
I can understand taking a cut. But not as big as a cut as your rep.

If he gets $100-$150, plus maybe takes a cut for running the tournaments, that would be fair.
As far as i know, you have to volunteer to rep so this guy must've volunteered and didnt realize what he was getting himself into. But to get that much money is a out of hand IMO.

I've ran an In-House money/prize 9-ball league for my friends bar for the last 2 years. I provide all the rule sheets, schedules, handicaps, and stats sheets, as well as e-mail stats and updates to all the players. I also manage all the money, do all the payouts, get all the prizes, and run the end season tournaments. On top of this, I work 6 days a week.
The money i have from running the league - $0

Unless this is some kind of sanctioned league where there is a guideline for payment of league reps, this guy is getting way too much.
 
POOL724 said:
Ok ....I never said it was the league owner
The rep doesn't deliver packets
Doesn't sign us up for nationals
Doesn't call room owners
Doesn't really know the bca rules has to ask owner


All the rep does is pick up score sheets and put in stats...oh and we have a mid season
And end of the season tournament which we get 8 to 12 people to show up....which takes a couple hours.......we have no playoffs

We have a few places to drop off score sheets and money
The Rep picks them up once a week.

My issue is the Rep was paid more than the first place team......all I wanted to ask is this normal for a 1 night rep to get paid more than the first place team
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How much of that money collected by the Rep actually goes to the League Operator then? Either way, the combination of the 2 positions has more than enough work to complete each and every week. Did you say what league system it was? Because some leagues require a fee back to the national organization. In BCA each player has to pay a $15 Sanction fee.

Well I do think that the money collected from you league is a little more than I would have guessed, it's still not out of the question.
 
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