BCA Sale. Another perspective.

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The following is a letter received from James Ruder...


Where do I begin? A little background is important.



As the largest independent league operator in the United States and inaugural recipient of the BCA’s League Operator of the Year Award, member of the BCA Leagues and Programs department, nominee and recipient for the BCA Board of Directors Associated Business Organization (ABO) position, and board member of the Women’s Professional Billiard Association (WPBA), I feel well qualified and compelled to share with you my personal thoughts on the current situation that has been imposed upon us by our national organization.



A personal perspective -

Times are tough for us league operators when our national association sells us out to a for profit entity. Sounds harsh? The reality is! I have invested in our league operation a lot of personal money in order to make it what it is today. A showcase organization with over twenty-eight (28) divisions, offering professionally managed recreational billiards to interested players in five (5) New England States. Our commitment and the services we offer is what makes our organization a success.

I know many of my league operator colleagues, as well as state association presidents and their boards have invested not only money, but also tons of sweat and stress in order to offer similar types of opportunities to pool players across the U.S. and Canada. The history of poor decision-making and the subsequent fall-out over the years has directly impacted each and every one of us – the sale of the BCA League System was the final blow.

Remember the BCA All American Tour? Gone. Remember the BCA Midwest & then National 9-Ball Championships? Gone. Remember the BCA’s interest and enthusiasm to get billiards recognized as an Olympic Sport? Gone. Remember the BCA Leagues & Programs Department? Gone.

The pattern has now directly impacted each and every one of us – we have no National Non-Profit Organization to call our own.

SOLD – our National System was sold out from underneath us! – How many of you received a questionnaire asking you for your input? I know the answer. ZERO. In my league operation alone, I have submitted over thirty questionnaires and voting ballots because I care what our players have to say – how many have you received as paying members in good standing under the guidance of this organization, the courtesy of being asked your opinion on matters that directly impacted you? Again, ZERO!

As a direct result of the sale of the BCA League System, I personally had no choice but to become involved. My organization’s players would expect nothing less from me. And let me be clear. I hold no animosity towards the BCA, or Mr. Mark Griffin, the new owner of the league system. I’m sure (and I have personally sat down with Mark), that he has the best of intentions and will offer great benefits and service to those who choose to become members of his BCA league. The issue however, has nothing to do with added money to tournaments; dollars back to the state associations, profit versus non-profit, improved service or player benefits, nor Mark’s lifetime passion to the sport, but rather everything to do with the future stability and longevity of our sport that we all love.

Recent history has shown us that there are no guarantees when it comes to the value of something that someone else owns. The value and resultant sale to a private individual has destroyed the institution that each one of us has supported with our hearts and soles for many, many years. And now, as we move forward to a fresh and new tomorrow, are we willing to support another organization (owned by one individual), that, without cause or input from us the players, may be sold again, divided up, or even worse? I say there’s a better way.

Support the new American Cuesports Alliance by sanctioning your league or individually as a player member come this June. I believe American CueSports – ACS is the future of our sport.
 
Great post. I had no idea of the history until you shared your thoughts on this forum. The powers-to-be should have requested input from its members as a courtesy considering all of the time, monies, and energies invested in the league system as a whole.

Where may one find out more about the American CueSports Alliance?

ManlyShot
 
AzHousePro said:
The following is a letter received from James Ruder...



Remember the BCA All American Tour? Gone. Remember the BCA Midwest & then National 9-Ball Championships? Gone. Remember the BCA’s interest and enthusiasm to get billiards recognized as an Olympic Sport? Gone. Remember the BCA Leagues & Programs Department? Gone.

The pattern has now directly impacted each and every one of us – we have no National Non-Profit Organization to call our own.

Support the new American Cuesports Alliance by sanctioning your league or individually as a player member come this June. I believe American CueSports – ACS is the future of our sport.

Mr. Ruder,

If John Lewis was the main man at the BCA in the non-profit league operations, why didn't he inform the state and local operators of this earlier?

It has been mentioned that the BCA league operators are under contract. Is this true? And, if so, is there any provisions against forming an alternative league?

Way too many unanswered questions IMO. What will the ACA offer the players, that the new BCA league can't? Where will the money come from for the NEW ACA to make good all of its promises? The PLAYERS.

So far, I don't see any difference between the old (BCA) and new (ACA). They both made all their money off the players.
 
What I can't understand is that many state BCA organizations have some of the same people that are on the newly formed ACA.

Do you think they would choose either the state BCA or ACA?

Nope.

They choose to bad mouth national organization that they are currently affilated with. How can one person ethically do that?

It is my understanding that many state BCA organizations have a surplus of revenue in their coffers (10s of thousands of dollars). This is the player's money. What happen's when the BCA state organizations no longer exsist???

Food for thought.
 
If anyone wants more backgorund just go to www.mnbilliards.com and look at their forums.

I personally think the the Mark Griffin ought to be given a chance to show what he can do with the BCA leagues.

John
 
Tom In Cincy said:
If John Lewis was the main man at the BCA in the non-profit league operations, why didn't he inform the state and local operators of this earlier?
What purpose would that have served?


Tom In Cincy said:
Way too many unanswered questions IMO.
Right-o! by ACA, new BCA, and old BCA, IMO
 
AzHousePro said:
The following is a letter received from James Ruder...


Where do I begin? A little background is important.



As the largest independent league operator in the United States and inaugural recipient of the BCA’s League Operator of the Year Award, member of the BCA Leagues and Programs department, nominee and recipient for the BCA Board of Directors Associated Business Organization (ABO) position, and board member of the Women’s Professional Billiard Association (WPBA), I feel well qualified and compelled to share with you my personal thoughts on the current situation that has been imposed upon us by our national organization.



A personal perspective -

Times are tough for us league operators when our national association sells us out to a for profit entity. Sounds harsh? The reality is! I have invested in our league operation a lot of personal money in order to make it what it is today. A showcase organization with over twenty-eight (28) divisions, offering professionally managed recreational billiards to interested players in five (5) New England States. Our commitment and the services we offer is what makes our organization a success.

I know many of my league operator colleagues, as well as state association presidents and their boards have invested not only money, but also tons of sweat and stress in order to offer similar types of opportunities to pool players across the U.S. and Canada. The history of poor decision-making and the subsequent fall-out over the years has directly impacted each and every one of us – the sale of the BCA League System was the final blow.

Remember the BCA All American Tour? Gone. Remember the BCA Midwest & then National 9-Ball Championships? Gone. Remember the BCA’s interest and enthusiasm to get billiards recognized as an Olympic Sport? Gone. Remember the BCA Leagues & Programs Department? Gone.

The pattern has now directly impacted each and every one of us – we have no National Non-Profit Organization to call our own.

SOLD – our National System was sold out from underneath us! – How many of you received a questionnaire asking you for your input? I know the answer. ZERO. In my league operation alone, I have submitted over thirty questionnaires and voting ballots because I care what our players have to say – how many have you received as paying members in good standing under the guidance of this organization, the courtesy of being asked your opinion on matters that directly impacted you? Again, ZERO!

As a direct result of the sale of the BCA League System, I personally had no choice but to become involved. My organization’s players would expect nothing less from me. And let me be clear. I hold no animosity towards the BCA, or Mr. Mark Griffin, the new owner of the league system. I’m sure (and I have personally sat down with Mark), that he has the best of intentions and will offer great benefits and service to those who choose to become members of his BCA league. The issue however, has nothing to do with added money to tournaments; dollars back to the state associations, profit versus non-profit, improved service or player benefits, nor Mark’s lifetime passion to the sport, but rather everything to do with the future stability and longevity of our sport that we all love.

Recent history has shown us that there are no guarantees when it comes to the value of something that someone else owns. The value and resultant sale to a private individual has destroyed the institution that each one of us has supported with our hearts and soles for many, many years. And now, as we move forward to a fresh and new tomorrow, are we willing to support another organization (owned by one individual), that, without cause or input from us the players, may be sold again, divided up, or even worse? I say there’s a better way.

Support the new American Cuesports Alliance by sanctioning your league or individually as a player member come this June. I believe American CueSports – ACS is the future of our sport.

i sent two emails to acs about 2 weeks ago so far no reply
not very impressive.
 
James Ruder says: "I know many of my league operator colleagues, as well as state association presidents and their boards have invested not only money, but also tons of sweat and stress".

"Remember the BCA All American Tour? Gone. Remember the BCA Midwest & then National 9-Ball Championships? Gone. Remember the BCA’s interest and enthusiasm to get billiards recognized as an Olympic Sport? Gone. Remember the BCA Leagues & Programs Department? Gone".

So what was so great about the BCA that he so regrets leaving?

All the money it has cost him and all those tournaments gone? That's exactly what the new owner wants to fix!

As far as John Lewis notifying others about the sale I heard he was behind the rebellion that resulted in this ACA or is it BCA. Did they change their name already? If noone knew how did this rebel organization get started?

Not for profit--not for profit--uuummmm-uuuummmm

Ken
 
Mr Ruder's letter points out all the things about the BCA that he didn't like and now he blames the new owner for them.

Something wrong with that logic.

And what is wrong with having a for-profit organization?

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
And what is wrong with having a for-profit organization?

Jake

You got it JJ - a for profit organization is usually run a hell of a lot more efficiently. Not for profit is a lot like government. I would rather have an honest businessman watching out after my money than a bureaucrat anyday. Just my fifty cents worth (I ain't cheap).
 
wvroadrunner said:
i sent two emails to acs about 2 weeks ago so far no reply
not very impressive.


wvroadrunner,

Please give Mark, a chance to respond.

Mark, for your information, has been on the road for several weeks and has been real busy. I had a short visit with him in Valley Forge, as in Vegas too. He was up working 18 hrs, a day. He was up beat about hs new venture, but kinda tired. He's a go getter.......

He's been signing contracts, having meetings with people all over the states, and furnishing tables at the Hoppkins show in Valley Forge, and a week later, getting many tables set up at the BCA show in Vegas.

Given a chance, he will answer e-mails.

Mark is a nice guy, just very busy at this time.

It's not fair to judge him so quickly. Try not to be so hard on him because you think he has over looked you or others. Taking on such a big task, is not easy, and not a lot of time to answer e-mails.

He's also a great businessman, and has sunk a lot of cash in this venture.Give him a break.

His plate is really full.

Thanks

blud
 
Blud,
I think wvroadrunner said he had e-mailed the rebel organization not Mark. It's the rebels who have not responded to him.

Mark has posted a few times and I got to talk to him at VF. He seems dedicated to making the BCA league work and has said he is not in it to make a profit.

The rebel organization now seems to have three names. The Billiards Cuesports alliance (BCA), the American Cuesports Alliance (ACA) and American Cue Sports (ACS). What they don't seem to have is all those state associations behind them that some have claimed.
Ken
 
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Well, put Ken... If they can't make up their minds on what name they have how do we know what the hell their up to anyway? We already know they like to incorporate other organizations initials.. Makes me wonder about this non for profit status they are bragging about. From what I understand about it, it means they get to write off everything and spend the players money in what ever order they see fit. They seem to be a fishy bunch.
 
sorry

Ken in CT said:
Blud,
I think wvroadrunner said he had e-mailed the rebel organization not Mark. It's the rebels who have not responded to him.

Mark has posted a few times and I got to talk to him at VF. He seems dedicated to making the BCA league work and has said he is not in it to make a profit.

The rebel organization now seems to have three names. The Billiards Cuesports alliance (BCA), the American Cuesports Alliance (ACA) and American Cue Sports (ACS). What they don't seem to have is all those state associations behind them that some have claimed.
Ken

sorry if I misunderstood. Mark is still very busy. He wil;l make things happen.
blud
 
Hi Folks,

I PM'ed Mark Griffin last week. He returned an e-mail with-in 24 hours. Same kind of service I received from the BCA's John Lewis for years. Give Mark a chance. NO ONE is perfect. There will be bumps on the road to success!
 
blud said:
wvroadrunner,

Please give Mark, a chance to respond.

Mark, for your information, has been on the road for several weeks and has been real busy. I had a short visit with him in Valley Forge, as in Vegas too. He was up working 18 hrs, a day. He was up beat about hs new venture, but kinda tired. He's a go getter.......

He's been signing contracts, having meetings with people all over the states, and furnishing tables at the Hoppkins show in Valley Forge, and a week later, getting many tables set up at the BCA show in Vegas.

Given a chance, he will answer e-mails.

Mark is a nice guy, just very busy at this time.

It's not fair to judge him so quickly. Try not to be so hard on him because you think he has over looked you or others. Taking on such a big task, is not easy, and not a lot of time to answer e-mails.

He's also a great businessman, and has sunk a lot of cash in this venture.Give him a break.

His plate is really full.

Thanks

blud


blud

my emails were to ACS not mark
 
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