just a little up date on Russel the young boy I am trying to help yesterday in guntersville AL at a game room at the camp ground they had a tournament for 14 and younger players and he got lucky and won it he contunes to improve and the win really set him on fire it was a hoot to watch all the kids play there was 9 players 8 ball LOT of misses and kids going wild the owner of the game room who is a purty good player said he could see a lot of improvement mostly in basic mechanics he has a very LONG way to go just got started but he is having fun and so am I working with him THANKS to all that responded and all the advice and to spimp 13 for the DVD all the kids entered in the tournament were just kids having fun nothing serious and any advice is welcome