U bastard, how dare you besmirch the APA.Don't do it. Find a Valley or a BCA league. APA is poison.
Didn't SVB play league? I know quite a few of his immediate family members did.
He did play in leagues when he was younger but agree, he didn't get better by playing 3s and 4s. lolHis family did, not sure if he did, maybe when he was younger. I would bet though that his skill did not come from battling the 3s and 4s in APA LOL
BCA the true form of the game, APA for girls and wimps that cry if they miss.U bastard, how dare you besmirch the APA.
BCA the true form of the game, APA for girls and wimps that cry if they miss.
APA matches are relatively inexpensive.
I understand and sympathize. Captain’s tournament in my league, IIRC, is complementary. No entry fee.Individually, yes. However, there's no prize money in league. To "get into money" of any kind, the first step is playing in qualifiers and other events, and winning. All those have entry fees, too. It starts adding up.
On that note, I would like to share an experience from only a couple shorts weeks ago that has left a bitter taste in my mouth.
The Team Captain's tournament.
I've been a Team Captain concurrently for the past 4 years.
This "Appreciation Tournament for Team Captains" actually cost $55 per person for the privilege.
Just two days prior to the event, one of the Captains on my team was moved-up, leaving us high and dry, and having to pick from a small pool of last-minute stragglers. That is, if us remaining Captains were to participate in our own "appreciation" event... The move-up effectively "blew-up" our team. It changed the entire dynamic. I almost stayed in bed, however, the League Operator had previously asked in "do me a favor" fashion, if I would add so-and-so to the roster, and alternate, and I had already agreed.
*(More later on moving players...)
So, for my $55 I played one rack of 8-Ball, and one rack of 9-Ball. Yes, 2 racks, $27.50 per.
To further put this into perspective, the $55 entry fee is higher than 95% of the tournaments in my area, and there is plenty. So where then, you may ask, is the "appreciation" for those self-less treasures who, week-in and week-out, take time out of their day before league even begins to ensure players will be present, and within permissible skill? Their efforts, after-all, is nothing short of pro-bono low-level management for APA. Without them, there is no league.
Well, first off, upon arrival, those door prizes were a nice touch. I could take them or leave them, but it did lend itself to an atmosphere that felt special, and "appreciated". Second was our lunch buffet. Very nice. In my opinion the best way to show appreciation is to buy someone lunch. Then the drawing. There was plenty of cool APA swag, in addition to a few great prizes that I definitely would've taken. Overall, something "appreciated" was in the air.
Except for one small problem. None of that actually happened. There was nothing. Notta. Zero. Zilch. Just the aforementioned $55 entry free that went entirely to the winner that day.
<End rant>
*On a side note, APA needs to "Lock" SLs a week prior to these events, out of consideration for it's members. To help them with planning, which is currently almost impossible. The info APA has on players is always current and up-to-date. Nothing so profound is happening in the current week that it can't be locked until afterward. I personally know quite a few people that won't play these events because they're turned-off by the simple inability to plan.
His family did, not sure if he did, maybe when he was younger. I would bet though that his skill did not come from battling the 3s and 4s in APA LOL
Individually, yes. However, there's no prize money in league. To "get into money" of any kind, the first step is playing in qualifiers and other events, and winning. All those have entry fees, too. It starts adding up.
On that note, I would like to share an experience from only a couple shorts weeks ago that has left a bitter taste in my mouth.
The Team Captain's tournament.
I've been a Team Captain concurrently for the past 4 years.
This "Appreciation Tournament for Team Captains" actually cost $55 per person for the privilege.
Just two days prior to the event, one of the Captains on my team was moved-up, leaving us high and dry, and having to pick from a small pool of last-minute stragglers. That is, if us remaining Captains were to participate in our own "appreciation" event... The move-up effectively "blew-up" our team. It changed the entire dynamic. I almost stayed in bed, however, the League Operator had previously asked in "do me a favor" fashion, if I would add so-and-so to the roster, and alternate, and I had already agreed.
*(More later on moving players...)
So, for my $55 I played one rack of 8-Ball, and one rack of 9-Ball. Yes, 2 racks, $27.50 per.
To further put this into perspective, the $55 entry fee is higher than 95% of the tournaments in my area, and there is plenty. So where then, you may ask, is the "appreciation" for those self-less treasures who, week-in and week-out, take time out of their day before league even begins to ensure players will be present, and within permissible skill? Their efforts, after-all, is nothing short of pro-bono low-level management for APA. Without them, there is no league.
Well, first off, upon arrival, those door prizes were a nice touch. I could take them or leave them, but it did lend itself to an atmosphere that felt special, and "appreciated". Second was our lunch buffet. Very nice. In my opinion the best way to show appreciation is to buy someone lunch. Then the drawing. There was plenty of cool APA swag, in addition to a few great prizes that I definitely would've taken. Overall, something "appreciated" was in the air.
Except for one small problem. None of that actually happened. There was nothing. Notta. Zero. Zilch. Just the aforementioned $55 entry free that went entirely to the winner that day.
<End rant>
*On a side note, APA needs to "Lock" SLs a week prior to these events, out of consideration for it's members. To help them with planning, which is currently almost impossible. The info APA has on players is always current and up-to-date. Nothing so profound is happening in the current week that it can't be locked until afterward. I personally know quite a few people that won't play these events because they're turned-off by the simple inability to plan.
I'm curious how your story would've gone had you won that tournament?
I curious how winning would change any of it?
Shhhhh... I get people angry at me when I say the APA rules and games are not "real pool" and tend to create a lot of people that are not aware of the pool world outside of the APA. Most APA players don't know anything about the full rules such as pushout, 3 fouls, and other rules common in tournaments and other leagues. I don't know how many times people have said to me "I played in a league for 10/20 years and never heard of this rule" LOL
The APA is designed to spawn off new teams as players rank up. That is a feature and part of their business strategy. It is generally easier for a 2,3,4 to get on a team. It gets harder at SL5 and at 6/7 it gets hard. I was out of pool for about 12 years and ended my APA experience in 2005 as a 6 in 8 and a 7 in 9. Coming back after the layoff, on opening week, I walked around and tried to get on a team. No interest other than 1 team. I was very lucky that that captain graciously put me on his double jeopardy team even though he was a 7/8. He would generally let me pick what I wanted to play on a given week unless he wanted to match up with a specific opponent. We could never play together in a team match and field a team within the cap given the other players on the roster. I quit after 1 session and went BCA. It wasn't fair for them as it hurt their matchups and not optimal for me either. I appreciate him for allowing me the chance though. APA is no longer for me. I really don't enjoy coaching as I have had team members argue with me over playing a safe versus selling out over and over...Some people you just can't reach. If I some day get bounced off my BCA team I probably would stop league play entirely and focus on individual tourneys or quit everything again.I just started playing pool again after a 10 year hiatus, its been 3 months since I started again, I was a SL6 when I left, no team wants me because of my OLD SL, Do I miss the competition? Yeah, The APA is not designed for teams to stay together, I don't find APA operators helpful in putting new teams together and I don't know about an APA masters league in my area, I have been watching a lot of pool to help with my pattern play, it has helped a lot, I watched some of the Vegas Finals in the APA and was stunned at how poorly a SL6 played early in the match, missed shots by a mile, plain dumb pattern play, after several "innings" it was like a light switch turned on and all the sudden that guy couldn't miss, it was a really close match but the SL6 did just enough to beat that SL3, I guess he was lucky he could just pull out a win in the end.
Because it's a completely different story if you had won a trip to Vegas.
That's good. But that's not the case everywhere. At my main location, they allow practice on unused tables, and opened the tables up for practice about an hour before league started. They even looked the other way at the end of the night if we were still on the tables after league play was done (for a while, at least, then they'd warn us they were going to put us on the clock). But the last few weeks of the season, they added a BCA league on the same night, and the extra tables evaporated.At least where we play APA here, the tables that aren't being used for matches are open for practice all night. So most folks can play as much pool as they want (taking turns, of course), not just waiting all night for their one match. Even if they aren't playing that night, so long as their team is having a match there, they are allowed to use the practice tables.