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If you turn the 3 piece slate into a 1 piece slate, you don't need to anchor the slates at the seams.
Hum, that will permit me to adjust the two slate before glueing, instead of the hydraulic jack and strap system do down the slate if I need it, and that will do a stronger structure.
And with these drive mechanical key, we can have access to pratically everywhere nut, that will permit me to don't retire the side panel to adjust my levellers.
Check my friend, I found the Predator seam leveller system, check this cheap thin washer plate that make the job to down the slate center, and you said that the end of the Black Crown frame is not stronger enough to take the pressure that this toy system hold, it's a joke. I don't know why you are always looking for discredite the others people idea, though or anything, change your minding and that will be more interesting and more constructive.
Glenn has probably forgot more about pool table construction than most of us know.Check my friend, I found the Predator seam leveller system, check this cheap thin washer plate that make the job to down the slate center, and you said that the end of the Black Crown frame is not stronger enough to take the pressure that this toy system hold, it's a joke. I don't know why you are always looking for discredite the others people idea, though or anything, change your minding and that will be more interesting and more constructive.
If you say so, I believe you!
It's like the guy at the bar who was bragging that he drank more than anyone and the other who said to him, stop complaining, you didn't drink half of what I could spill in my life.
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If I remember right he designed his own line of bar box tables and was involved i nthe design of the Diamond Proams I believe or in the redesign of the red label to the blue label tops and he also designed the diamond ball cleanerIf you say so, I believe you!
It's like the guy at the bar who was bragging that he drank more than anyone and the other who said to him, stop complaining, you didn't drink half of what I could spill in my life.
I didn't know for the pool table but yes for his ball cleaner, the only one design that work well. I will buy the dvd that he made with Simonis, I want to learn to install felt perfectly, I'm a bit perfectionist. 5 to 6 year ago I though to glue bracket leveller in the seam and in the middle of the slate to do a better and easier way to level the slate and check, Ernesto Dominguez do this a couple of year ago. The billard have a lot to improve, and the best way to do is to let our mind open.
I'm going to say something here that table top mechanics won't agree with, the way they level slates with small machinist levels is far from the right way to go. To level a surface very accurately you need straight edge bars and dial indicators, this way you have a view on the entire table and can know the heights anywhere on the surface extremely accurately. Why mechanics work this way, because they use what is at their fingertips as tools and what they know. It really stuns me when I see how some world championship tables can roll badly, some would say the fault is in the manufacture of the slates, but that is 95% wrong, add more adjustment points and work with the real tools and issues will be fixed, still a lot of little improvement and needs to be done in the area of billiards.
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Your idea of straight edges and dial indicators will tell you if the slates are truly flat but won't tell you if they are level.
I forgot a detail, you have to top the straight edge with level vial, 2 arc second level vial is more than 15 time more accurate than a standard Starrett level, i can split by 4 to 5 time a 0.003mill. paper sheet on all the table length. I have 4 straight edge machined on 20 feet milling machine.
I made my straight edge like that, I glued a flat bar on a 2 X 4 tube and machined the surface flat bar on milling machine. The reason for glueing a flat bar on the beam instead to machine directly the beam is: each metal piece have a natural stress in and if you take a cut on, you change this stress and can't be able to obtain a perfect straight part after machining, glueing a part on and NOT WELDING on give you the best possibilities.
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Once you've worked with leveling slates for a while, you'll learn you can't flex it like you think you can. I use a Starrett 98-8 machinist level because it don't bridge the slate like a longer level does, there by giving me a better idea of the highs and lows. I also blue print my slates so I can see the entire slate lows and highs. Flat slate is much easier to obtain than perfectly flat, you'll find out. And why do I need a leveling system in the middle of the slates for the seams, when I'm going to superglue them together perfectly flush to both sides. I use a bottle jack and ratchet strap to force the high side of the slate down so it's flush to the low side. That way the low side of the seam is holding down the high side, AND the high side is picking up the low side. I'm not leveling the slate at this point, all I'm doing is taking a 3 piece slate and turning it into a 1 piece slate. I do the leveling after I've done that, and that's after I've installed the bed cloth, AND assembled the table. The only pre leveling I do is with the frame of the table!I made my straight edge like that, I glued a flat bar on a 2 X 4 tube and machined the surface flat bar on milling machine. The reason for glueing a flat bar on the beam instead to machine directly the beam is: each metal piece have a natural stress in and if you take a cut on, you change this stress and can't be able to obtain a perfect straight part after machining, glueing a part on and NOT WELDING on give you the best possibilities.
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When you've leveled a few thousand tables, come back and let me know, OK. Because right now, you're still talking in theory, because you haven't leveled a table yet!I made my straight edge like that, I glued a flat bar on a 2 X 4 tube and machined the surface flat bar on milling machine. The reason for glueing a flat bar on the beam instead to machine directly the beam is: each metal piece have a natural stress in and if you take a cut on, you change this stress and can't be able to obtain a perfect straight part after machining, glueing a part on and NOT WELDING on give you the best possibilities.
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Before you there are those who had also leveled tables by the hundreds and that did not prevent you from improving the process and that is always true for the future. You can also say that having a leveler system that can pull the slates down and also having these systems installed at the seam of the slates is totally useless, but that's totally wrong and we don't need 50 years of experience to understand it.
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Wow, I'm amazed at the confrontation given to people that have experience by people that are inexperienced, for giving you information that should be helping you. Sure, there's always a better way to make a better mousetrap, but the attitude is really what makes it tough to have conversations these days. No matter what it's about.
Ok, talk is cheap, come back and show me what you've done to make my work inferior, I welcome it. Maybe YOU can show me something, I'm open minded!
The longer the straight edge base, the less accurate the level is, sorry to break the news to you. That levels accuracy is based on the LENGTH of THAT level, period! Read the specifications on ANY level, they're ALL based on the length of the level.
You said that the talk is cheap but it's your thing, you did it, saying all kinds of nonsense, you said that a 2 1/4 X 6 1/2 inch of 36 inch length approxymately of laminated wood plies isn't strong enough to lift the middle of the slate, and now you say a long level is less accurate than a short no matter how they are constructed, the reality is that my levels are about 5 times more accurate than the Starretts you are using. I just think that when the idea doesn't come from you, you automatically say it's not good.