Beware of ebay ID bigjohn1211 aka AZB member Bigjohn

[dave sutton]

first off, lets not mention rolling the cue on the carpet every again. THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING IVE EVER HEARD!!! most will agree this is so wrong.

i just weighed 8 shafts i have without a insert and not one is over 3.7 oz.

i think this situation obv is a combination of dales lack of kowledge and johns misrep of the cue.

REGUARDLESS, i dont feel he will refund you. check the straightness then resell.

it sucks but u do have a potential buyer. maybe youll make a buck or two

you all are overlooking two major facts about the cue.
1) it may not be warped but dale still hasnt checked it like 10 ppl have told him to.
2) 3.6oz is about the best you can get without an insert.

this doesnt excuse john saying 4oz but dale learned 2 things about his cue while asking for our help but choses to ignore them.

some homework everyone. check weight of your shafts without an insert. i bet you dont find a 4 oz shaft maybe 1 out of god knows how many

 

[Bigjohn]

Nose roll

At any rate...we would not be talking about 10th's of an ounce without the aid of an electronic device... I weighed the shafts at 3.9 and 4.0 on the Postal scale I used.... I do understand that they are all different when dealing with 10ths of an ounce...ALSO...SNOWMON34 has failed to mention that I told him to send the cue back last week and that if the cue rolls as he has shown in his video and there is no damage...I would refund on the cue. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

At any rate...we would not be talking about 10th's of an ounce without the aid of an electronic device... I weighed the shafts at 3.9 and 4.0 on the Postal scale I used.... I do understand that they are all different when dealing with 10ths of an ounce...ALSO...SNOWMON34 has failed to mention that I told him to send the cue back last week and that if the cue rolls as he has shown in his video and there is no damage...I would refund on the cue. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

AFTER THIS, I WOULDN'T TRUST TO SEND ANYTHING BACK, WITHOUT MONEY IN HAND.

TO HELP END THIS, I WILL ACT AS ESCOW IF NEEDED. IF MY REP ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU ON THIS FORUM, THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BUY OR SELL ANYTHING ON THE NET.

IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DO THAT LET ME KNOW.

 

[dave sutton]

At any rate...we would not be talking about 10th's of an ounce without the aid of an electronic device... I weighed the shafts at 3.9 and 4.0 on the Postal scale I used.... I do understand that they are all different when dealing with 10ths of an ounce...ALSO...SNOWMON34 has failed to mention that I told him to send the cue back last week and that if the cue rolls as he has shown in his video and there is no damage...I would refund on the cue. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

i have to disagree. 3.6 and 4.0 is a huge difference. its not the weight is more about how the cue will play. a lighter shaft will play flimsy bc the wood is not as dense where a heavier shaft is very very solid with little deflection. howeveri weighed 8 shafts and none were close to 4 oz. all were 3.4-3.7 oz

good point about sending the cue back but why didnt you say that earlier.
you should just refund and resell. trust me i went through this last week. it makes everything better and someone else will buy your cue. this could have saved you alot of trouble trust me u will have a very very hard time selling another thing if you dont make this right

 

[dave sutton]

AFTER THIS, I WOULDN'T TRUST TO SEND ANYTHING BACK, WITHOUT MONEY IN HAND.

TO HELP END THIS, I WILL ACT AS ESCOW IF NEEDED. IF MY REP ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU ON THIS FORUM, THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BUY OR SELL ANYTHING ON THE NET.

IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DO THAT LET ME KNOW.

good idea. im all for this only honest way to solve this.

one question, just your thoughs, even thought shafts were said to be 3.9 and 4.0 would you agree he prob couldnt find a shaft that was 4.0 without a insert thats not fat as hell 13.5 mm or more

 

[HouseMan]

from whom not to buy and to whom not to sell....correct me if I am wrong.

I agree...The last cue I bought I used Scot's (Proficient) escrow service. he takes pics, measurements, checks straightness and weighs out everything $50

I knew what I was getting and any issues there may be before any money changed hands. If I didn't like what Scot had to say, the cue goes back to the seller and the bankcheck or MO goes back to the buyer. Thankfully the cue I bought was just as advertised.

It was a >$2000 purchase so there was a piece of mind issue for me. I wonder at what price line does escrow service become warrented($500, $1000)?

PS I just saw FnL's escrow offer and I think it's an excellent idea.

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

good idea. im all for this only honest way to solve this.

one question, just your thoughs, even thought shafts were said to be 3.9 and 4.0 would you agree he prob couldnt find a shaft that was 4.0 without a insert thats not fat as hell 13.5 mm or more

I HAVE HAD A FEW, BUT I HAVE OWNED ALOT OF CUES. IT'S CERTAINLY NOT SOMETHING YOU COME ACROSS ON A REGULAR BASIS. A 3.6-3.8 OUNCE SHAFT WITHOUT AN INSERT, IS AN AWESOME PIECE OF SHAFT WOOD.

 

[cueaddicts]

good idea. im all for this only honest way to solve this.

one question, just your thoughs, even thought shafts were said to be 3.9 and 4.0 would you agree he prob couldnt find a shaft that was 4.0 without a insert thats not fat as hell 13.5 mm or more

Dave, buddy that is just not true. It only means you have an average density shaft and not a nice, dense one. BG cues have a pretty meaty shaft taper, so imo they should be close to 4.0 if they are still 13mm. Like SW, he doesn't core and you really need a heavier shaft imo to help balance things out and get the very best hit. We get a lot of Andy's cues and right at 13.0mm 3.9-4.3oz is common in a 3/8-10 (no insert).

All of this doesn't matter, though. The buyer is unhappy with the cue and apparently wants to return it...noticed a little (not major) roll and shaft weight wasn't as advertised. EASY SOLUTION....refund the money and take the cue back.

Now if snowmon isn't returning the cue to play the role of 'attention monger' here, then he's running the risk of ending up on the same do not buy/sell list that Bigjohn has penciled himself in on. Doesn't make sense why he would do that as many deals as he seems to do here.

Anyone else.......are these threads are getting tiring ?? It's a long hot summer and us board members don't need this crap.

 

[snowmon34]

At any rate...we would not be talking about 10th's of an ounce without the aid of an electronic device... I weighed the shafts at 3.9 and 4.0 on the Postal scale I used.... I do understand that they are all different when dealing with 10ths of an ounce...ALSO...SNOWMON34 has failed to mention that I told him to send the cue back last week and that if the cue rolls as he has shown in his video and there is no damage...I would refund on the cue. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Beware of ebay ID bigjohn1211 aka AZB member Bigjohn

I just had a cue delivered from John on 8/01...I rolled the cue and found the nose of the cue had a roll.....I also weighed the shafts and they came in @ 3.6 oz.....John told me they were 4.0 oz....I emailed John with my findings and tell him I want to return the cue, and John replies that the cue was sold to me AS-IS no return..... John's AS-IS no return policy was not disclosed in his ebay auction nor was it disclosed verbally when we talked on the phone.....at this point I knew I was in for a battle...after countless emails they agree to look at the cue, but I was warned that if the warp was let me quote them "within tolerance" that the cue would be shipped back immediately....it was obvious to me that the warp was up to their interpretation..shafts that have minor rolls are "within tolerance", but a cue butt?? I've never heard of such a thing either a butt is warped or it's not warped....imo..it was also obvious to me that they were setting me up for a failure and I emailed them back stating that "within tolerance" wasn't going to work for me. and the shafts being off 4/10 oz was enough to warrant a refund..after a few more emails they told me I was stuck with the cue..Here is a link to the video of the warped nose, the ebay auction, and a few photos of a postal scale, and my scale....when you read the ebay auction it sounds like a new cue....



I did mention this to everyone in the very 1st post John....after receiving the request to send the cue back and you telling me the cue would have to pass your test under your tolerances....I knew it was up to your opinion, and your opinion alone...( after all the emails I had received from you...your tolerances wasnt going to work for me) I replied to your email telling you that the shafts being off 4/10 oz was enough to warrant a refund....you never replied to the shaft weights being off.....you conveniently ignored all of my comments asking about the difference in shaft weight except for 1 time in one of our 1st email.....you claimed that my scale and the postal scale was off....that was the last time you addressed the weight issue......

 

[ribdoner]

At any rate...we would not be talking about 10th's of an ounce without the aid of an electronic device... I weighed the shafts at 3.9 and 4.0 on the Postal scale I used.... I do understand that they are all different when dealing with 10ths of an ounce...ALSO...SNOWMON34 has failed to mention that I told him to send the cue back last week and that if the cue rolls as he has shown in his video and there is no damage...I would refund on the cue. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Will you refund his $ because the shafts weigh 4/10ths of an oz less than what you believed they were?

 

[snowmon34]

Dave, buddy that is just not true. It only means you have an average density shaft and not a nice, dense one. BG cues have a pretty meaty shaft taper, so imo they should be close to 4.0 if they are still 13mm. Like SW, he doesn't core and you really need a heavier shaft imo to help balance things out and get the very best hit. We get a lot of Andy's cues and right at 13.0mm 3.9-4.3oz is common in a 3/8-10 (no insert).

All of this doesn't matter, though. The buyer is unhappy with the cue and apparently wants to return it...noticed a little (not major) roll and shaft weight wasn't as advertised. EASY SOLUTION....refund the money and take the cue back.

Now if snowmon isn't returning the cue to play the role of 'attention monger' here, then he's running the risk of ending up on the same do not buy/sell list that Bigjohn has penciled himself in on. Doesn't make sense why he would do that as many deals as he seems to do here.

Anyone else.......are these threads are getting tiring ?? It's a long hot summer and us board members don't need this crap.

Sean

I have tried my best to keep this out of the public eye.....I have about 28 emails and 6 days invested before going public.......I'm far from looking for attention I just wanted people to know what I was dealing with, and your right I've done alot of deals on this forum in a very short time.....most all worked great......take a look at the buyer seller transaction report...

Dale

 

[cueaddicts]

Sean

I have tried my best to keep this out of the public eye.....I have about 28 emails and 6 days invested before going public.......I'm far from looking for attention I just wanted people to know what I was dealing with, and your right I've done alot of deals on this forum in a very short time.....most all worked great......take a look at the buyer seller transaction report...

Dale

Dale, you are right. That's why I said that train of thought which has been alluded to here doesn't make sense....

 

[snowmon34]

I'm done......lets let this thread die, but mods please don't delete this thread......I want to thank all for the support.....it means allot to me, and I hope I can continue to do business on this forum in the future, and to those I may of been offensive to I apologize......

Dale

 

[gutshot]

If nothing ever comes out of this, I might consider taking it off of your hands at some point in the future. Send me a pm sometime and we'll talk.

 

[cuesblues]

Anyone that knows Dale, knows that he is a very honest person that only wants nice cues, no junk, regardless of the price. There is no way he would agree to a no return as-is policy from anybody, even if Gus was selling the cue from heaven.

I have an old Ernie Martinez cue and the weight of both shafts is 5.0 oz, oversized shafts made from very dense wood. This cue was made to the specifications of a very good player I know that designed the cue, so 4.0 oz. dosen't seem far off to me

 

[dave sutton]

Dave, buddy that is just not true. It only means you have an average density shaft and not a nice, dense one. BG cues have a pretty meaty shaft taper, so imo they should be close to 4.0 if they are still 13mm. Like SW, he doesn't core and you really need a heavier shaft imo to help balance things out and get the very best hit. We get a lot of Andy's cues and right at 13.0mm 3.9-4.3oz is common in a 3/8-10 (no insert).


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i have an andy, a scruggs, old joss, jacoby, and a few ive made and none are 4.0 oz. all are 12.9 to13.1mm range 8 shafts total. one 3.4 and they go to 3.7. im sure they are out there but common??? the taper must be way too fat

 

[FAST_N_LOOSE]

Was There A Resolution? Or Is This Just Going To Be Ignored?

 

[dave sutton]

Was There A Resolution? Or Is This Just Going To Be Ignored?

i think both are ignoring. john wont refund and dale wont check the cue like we told him to. he had 2 ppl offering to buy the cue. i think its hopeless

rep points for trying to be the referee.

 

[snowmon34]

i have an andy, a scruggs, old joss, jacoby, and a few ive made and none are 4.0 oz. all are 12.9 to13.1mm range 8 shafts total. one 3.4 and they go to 3.7. im sure they are out there but common??? the taper must be way too fat

Dave Sutton

I have tried to ignore some of your ignorant comments, its obvious to me you can't read or you would of let this thread die like I requested. Is this a ploy to take some heat off you because you tried to screw Tate? You also make a couple of comments in post# 101 that just make me laugh let me quote you....

"i think this situation obv is a combination of dales lack of kowledge"

you all are overlooking two major facts about the cue.
1) it may not be warped but dale still hasnt checked it like 10 ppl have told him to.
2) 3.6oz is about the best you can get without an insert.


Dave you talk about my lack of knowledge, and you state that 3.6 oz shafts are the best you can get with out an insert.....you call yourself a cue builder??? WOW!!...It seems to me you better do your homework to build your knowledge about shaft wood..Dave I know what I like in a cue and thats all that matters....just because your line up includes shafts that weigh between 3.4 to 3.7 oz doesnt mean nice heavy shafts don't exist.....I specifically told John I wasn't interested in the cue with 3.4 oz shafts and I was told that they were 4 oz shafts.......Dave I didnt receive 4 oz shafts......thats all that matters.....by the way Dave heres my line up with shaft weights, and all ferrules are in the 13 mm range........



Sugartree 4.2 oz
Chris Byrne 4.2 oz
Olney 3.9 oz
Sugartree 3.9 oz
Olney 3.9 oz
Dominiak 3.8 oz
Scruggs 4.0 oz 4.1 oz
Bender 4.0 oz 4.0 oz
Phillippi 3.9 oz 3.9 oz
Bluegrass 3.6 oz 3.6 oz

I just sold an AE with a 4.5 oz shaft......Dave it,s obvious by my laundry list shaft weight is important to me......

 

[bnall]

Dave Sutton

I have tried to ignore some of your ignorant comments, its obvious to me you can't read or you would of let this thread die like I requested. Is this a ploy to take some heat off you because you tried to screw Tate? You also make a couple of comments in post# 101 that just make me laugh let me quote you....

"i think this situation obv is a combination of dales lack of kowledge"

you all are overlooking two major facts about the cue.
1) it may not be warped but dale still hasnt checked it like 10 ppl have told him to.
2) 3.6oz is about the best you can get without an insert.


Dave you talk about my lack of knowledge, and you state that 3.6 oz shafts are the best you can get with out an insert.....you call yourself a cue builder??? WOW!!...It seems to me you better do your homework to build your knowledge about shaft wood..Dave I know what I like in a cue and thats all that matters....just because your line up includes shafts that weigh between 3.4 to 3.7 oz doesnt mean nice heavy shafts don't exist.....I specifically told John I wasn't interested in the cue with 3.4 oz shafts and I was told that they were 4 oz shafts.......Dave I didnt receive 4 oz shafts......thats all that matters.....by the way Dave heres my line up with shaft weights, and all ferrules are in the 13 mm range........



Sugartree 4.2 oz
Chris Byrne 4.2 oz
Olney 3.9 oz
Sugartree 3.9 oz
Olney 3.9 oz
Dominiak 3.8 oz
Scruggs 4.0 oz 4.1 oz
Bender 4.0 oz 4.0 oz
Phillippi 3.9 oz 3.9 oz
Bluegrass 3.6 oz 3.6 oz

I just sold an AE with a 4.5 oz shaft......Dave it,s obvious by my laundry list shaft weight is important to me......

I was thinking the same thing. Let it die already.