BHE and FHE English

Matt,

I was referring to & asked about the meaning of the word amateur...

not 'rank' amateur.

Amateur:

Origin

late 18th century: from French, from Italian amatore, from Latin amator ‘lover,’ from amare ‘to love.’

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&ie=UTF-8&rct=j#q=amateur+origin+

Amateurs play the games that they play for the Love of playing the Games that They Love & are not playing for financial reward as does a Professional. That does not mean that A Professional can not also be An Amateur.

Bobby Jones was an Amateur as I'm sure you know & he's the only golfer to win the 'Old' Grand Slam or any Grand Slam in a single year.

I understand your meaning when you say 'rank amateur' or someone has an Amateur Ranking.

I just think that all professionals in the industry should remember that without the Amateurs there would be no professionals...
as there would be no money made available by the Amateurs for which professionals to be paid.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
 
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I'd like to live life just as someone made a famous remark about Bobby Jones (from memory):

"And so, he leaves that stage on which he nothing common said or did."

"Wee" Bobby was a great Christian and a great golfer. He did much to advance both amateur and professional skill and enjoyment in his sport.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
I'd like to live life just as someone made a famous remark about Bobby Jones (from memory):

"And so, he leaves that stage on which he nothing common said or did."

"Wee" Bobby was a great Christian and a great golfer. He did much to advance both amateur and professional skill and enjoyment in his sport.
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Hi Matt,

Yeah, that's pretty fine to never have said or done anything commonly.

Us 'common' individuals are lucky if we can say or do just a few or even one thing uncommonly.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
 
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I just moved from practining on a 7 foot diamond to spending some time on a 9 footer. It’s humbling but I took the opportunity to start working on BHE. Yeah actually helped me out with the extra accuracy that I need. Not as complicated as I thought it would be.
 
FOBI
Front outside
Back inside.

I have never once had a cueball move off-line(squirt) when using front or backhand english. That's the whole reason for using them
 
jasonlaus said:
FOBI
Front outside
Back inside.

I have never once had a cueball move off-line(squirt) when using front or backhand english. That's the whole reason for using them
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I understand that is what they are for but let me explain. About 15 years ago I was practicing 12 to 15hrs a week drilling solo. And playing 20 plus. I never knew about bhe/fhe and I use a cue with a lot of deflection. What I’m getting at is that I learned to compensate for deflection through brute force and practice.

Now that I’m am coming back to the game I am lucky to get a couple of hours a week. I can still use English and do parallel shift just fine on 7 and 8 foot tables without missing. On the nine foot red label diamond table that I play on, the bhe is more necessary. I’m also convinced the the guy that set the table up was a masochist with the cut on the pockets. That table has no mercy.
 
I love pool said:
I understand that is what they are for but let me explain. About 15 years ago I was practicing 12 to 15hrs a week drilling solo. And playing 20 plus. I never knew about bhe/fhe and I use a cue with a lot of deflection. What I’m getting at is that I learned to compensate for deflection through brute force and practice.

Now that I’m am coming back to the game I am lucky to get a couple of hours a week. I can still use English and do parallel shift just fine on 7 and 8 foot tables without missing. On the nine foot red label diamond table that I play on, the bhe is more necessary. I’m also convinced the the guy that set the table up was a masochist with the cut on the pockets. That table has no mercy.
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I was really surprised everybody was talking about squirt using front or back, they must be doing something different/wrong
 
jasonlaus said:
I was really surprised everybody was talking about squirt using front or back, they must be doing something different/wrong
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Not front or back like follow or draw. I mean side spin. And pivoting the cue at the bridge hand by moving the backhand. That’s what some people call back hand English aka BHE. Front hand English aka FHE is a what Americans mean when they line up to center and move the front hand to go left or right of center to get side spin.

It’s interesting stuff to experiment with if you ever try it out. With these pivoting techniques you can cancel out most squirt or cue ball deflection.
 
I love pool said:
Not front or back like follow or draw. I mean side spin. And pivoting the cue at the bridge hand by moving the backhand. That’s what some people call back hand English aka BHE. Front hand English aka FHE is a what Americans mean when they line up to center and move the front hand to go left or right of center to get side spin.

It’s interesting stuff to experiment with if you ever try it out. With these pivoting techniques you can cancel out most squirt or cue ball deflection.
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Where did i ever say anything about draw or follow? No, seriously, where did I say that???

I just sat there and said I've NEVER had a cueball squirt by using front or backhand english.

What is your problem?

Do you not understand what front outside and back inside means???
 
jasonlaus said:
Where did i ever say anything about draw or follow? No, seriously, where did I say that???

I just sat there and said I've NEVER had a cueball squirt by using front or backhand english.

What is your problem?
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If that is not what you meant then I don’t understand what you were confused about in the first place. What did you think they meant by front or back? I thought maybe you were European and used different terms for spins. Like how we say English for side spin and Brits say side or screw back for draw.

If I had looked at all your comments in totality I would have realized that is not the case.

Since we are talking what do you mean by front outside
Back inside
I’ve never heard FOBI in my life.
 
I love pool said:
If that is not what you meant then I don’t understand what you were confused about in the first place. What did you think they meant by front or back? I thought maybe you were European and used different terms for spins. Like how we say English for side spin and Brits say side or screw back for draw.

If I had looked at all your comments in totality I would have realized that is not the case.

Since we are talking what do you mean by front outside
Back inside
I’ve never heard FOBI in my life.
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Front hand for outside English

Backhand for inside English

Yes, it makes a difference.

I have never been confused about front or backhand english but apparently a lot of people on here are
 
I love pool said:
If that is not what you meant then I don’t understand what you were confused about in the first place. What did you think they meant by front or back? I thought maybe you were European and used different terms for spins. Like how we say English for side spin and Brits say side or screw back for draw.

If I had looked at all your comments in totality I would have realized that is not the case.

Since we are talking what do you mean by front outside
Back inside
I’ve never heard FOBI in my life.
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I still wish you would point out where I was confused???
 
jasonlaus said:
I was really surprised everybody was talking about squirt using front or back, they must be doing something different/wrong
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We “must be doing something different or wrong.” I don’t know how you can have such a unique position, and be oblivious to other people’s perception of when to use front or back hand. You imply that you are right and we are all wrong. I think “I was really surprised.” Could just as easily read I’m confused about other people’s ideas of front or back hand english.

Also what differences have you found with in versus out side make in cut shots in deflection?
 
I love pool said:
We “must be doing something different or wrong.” I don’t know how you can have such a unique position, and be oblivious to other people’s perception of when to use front or back hand. You imply that you are right and we are all wrong. I think “I was really surprised.” Could just as easily read I’m confused about other people’s ideas of front or back hand english.

Also what differences have you found with in versus out side make in cut shots in deflection?
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Nowhere in history has being surprised and being confused meant even remotely close to the same thing.

Yes, you are all wrong.

If your cueball is squirting, deflecting or whatever you want to call it you're doing something wrong.
 
With an off-center hit, while the tip is in contact with the CB, the CB starts to move forward and turn. The ball turn pushes the tip away sideways causing the end mass of the shaft to move. Mass doesn’t like to move, so it pushes back during contact (because for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction). That’s why the CB deflects (squirts) off line.
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Backhand english (BHE) and front-hand english (FHE) are aim-and-pivot methods used to adjust one’s aim for squirt and swerve (AKA “cue ball deflection”).
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@jasonlaus
you have to get squirt when you hit the cue ball off vertical axis
bhe and fhe only help to get the cue ball to go where you want it to with a vertical axis hit
for example
if right hand english would make the cue ball miss the target by 2 inches because of squirt
bhe/fhe help get you to aim that 2 inch difference so you hit the target
the above is from dr dave with some parts bolded and larger font for emphasis by me
 
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