Bought an Ariel Carmeli feedback wanted

Well a few of you guys warned me a about taking nice cues to the bar. My table is still not here and I took my cue to a bar today that wasn't crowded that has some diamonds I like to play on. Literally like 30 min before I was leaving a bar lady moved a chair that had my cue case on it. Case hit my cue off the holder and sent my ariel carmeli crashing onto the concrete. It's still in one piece and rolls straight but I am so pissed. Guys heed the advice of the people that tried to warn me do NOT ever take your nice customs to the bar. I am devastated. The sound of it hitting the concrete was the worst thing ever.
Get a basic sneaky for the bar. Now.
 
Get a basic sneaky for the bar.
Get a basic sneaky for the bar. Now.
I just got 4 lucky mcdermotts that came included in my table order. They came in the mail earlier than my table. I took one with me and my Carmeli. Wanted to compare what a cheap cue feels like vs a custom. Of course the one that costs way more goes slam on the concrete. My 60 dollar lucky mcdermott escaped without incident. I should have just left the damn custom at home and done this comparison in a month when my table is here.
 
Those first few dings are always the worst memory. But if you buy a cue to play with, you need to expect a few dings. The place i find it happens most is league. A lot people not really caring about what they are doing.

The only cue i put away was my sugartree. It is such a great playing cue but the finish is so soft and easy to ding. I am really tempted to send it off somewhere for a refinish with harder finish so i feel more secure playing with it. It is a keeper and i love it, but i am anxious with it, and careful when i use it.
 
But if you buy a cue to play with, you need to expect a few dings.
I call BS. My double full splice Rauenzahn is my primary player and it is still ding and dent free 4 years after delivery from Jerry. If you take care of it and don't take it to a bar with concrete floors and keep it out of harm's way from those who think it's "just another cue" you can keep a cue in like new condition for many, many years. You just have to be careful.
 
I call BS. My double full splice Rauenzahn is my primary player and it is still ding and dent free 4 years after delivery from Jerry. If you take care of it and don't take it to a bar with concrete floors and keep it out of harm's way from those who think it's "just another cue" you can keep a cue in like new condition for many, many years. You just have to be careful.
When I play pool, the last thing I want to be doing is baby sitting a pool cue. There is so much else to think about or engage in -- least of which is the game itself. Cues are tools if utilized in play. The purpose of a tool is to serve the user and not vice versa. If a cue is too pretty to risk dinging, put it on display.
 
The old story of not using a nice cue is back. Its always the same some won't and some will. I have a nice cue with lots of ivory and it has been with me for 7 years and goes everywhere I go. Another player I know has a SW with ivory points that has traveled the world in his suitcase. It is a personal choice that everyone makes there is no right or wrong.....
 
Why would you prop up your case on a chair? My cue case lays flat on the floor underneath the table. There are 5 cues
inside the case. The only missing cue is the one I play with and it is in my hands or laying flat on the table. It does not
get stood up against a chair, or table or any position where it could get kicked or knocked over some clumsy person. I
make sure to take precautions because accidents are too easily encountered and people that drink become careless.
 
Why would you prop up your case on a chair? My cue case lays flat on the floor underneath the table. There are 5 cues
inside the case. The only missing cue is the one I play with and it is in my hands or laying flat on the table. It does not
get stood up against a chair, or table or any position where it could get kicked or knocked over some clumsy person. I
make sure to take precautions because accidents are too easily encountered and people that drink become careless.
Good advice here, under the table is the safest place in a pool hall against theft and knockdowns...
 
Why would you prop up your case on a chair? My cue case lays flat on the floor underneath the table. There are 5 cues
inside the case. The only missing cue is the one I play with and it is in my hands or laying flat on the table. It does not
get stood up against a chair, or table or any position where it could get kicked or knocked over some clumsy person. I
make sure to take precautions because accidents are too easily encountered and people that drink
Good advice here, under the table is the safest place in a pool hall against theft and knockdowns...
Ya I am learning still. Lesson learned. I agree that was not a good spot for my case to be. I got too comfortable since there was only a couple of us in the whole place and just wasn't worried about it.
 
I call BS. My double full splice Rauenzahn is my primary player and it is still ding and dent free 4 years after delivery from Jerry. If you take care of it and don't take it to a bar with concrete floors and keep it out of harm's way from those who think it's "just another cue" you can keep a cue in like new condition for many, many years. You just have to be careful.

That's great accomplishment. Kudos to you. I am extremely careful as well. I still a ding now and then though, usually from someone being careless nearby. I keep my cues out of main traffic area's, i play against walls. But have still had people walk by and bump them, or they move a stool too close to them when i am down on a shot or went to get a drink. Shit happens, just either decide it is you are can take it, or you dont. Thats why i put the sugar treee away.
 
Ya I am learning still. Lesson learned. I agree that was not a good spot for my case to be. I got too comfortable since there was only a couple of us in the whole place and just wasn't worried about it.
Sometimes idiots are everywhere and their is nothing you can do to avoid them.. BTW great cue you got and price IMO!
 
When I play pool, the last thing I want to be doing is baby sitting a pool cue. There is so much else to think about or engage in -- least of which is the game itself. Cues are tools if utilized in play. The purpose of a tool is to serve the user and not vice versa. If a cue is too pretty to risk dinging, put it on display.
So it's too distracting to hold your playing cue in your hand while you're sitting, placing it on the table when you rack and keeping it out of harm's way when you break?
 
So it's too distracting to hold your playing cue in your hand while you're sitting, placing it on the table when you rack and keeping it out of harm's way when you break?
When I played baseball back in school, I always had a Nokona baseball glove or mitt with me pretty much all the time.
It became a habit; it was not a distraction. And when I didn’t have it with me, that became a much bigger distraction.

Pool cues are somewhat analogous and pretty much my cue is either held or against my body while I sit. If I need to
lay it down, the cue is placed on the pool table or underneath it where my case is stored. Holding the pool cue is like
going fishing. The rod is either in my hands or right next to me. I don’t find that bothersome or holding my cue in my
hands while I sit during a match. It acts like a prop helping keep me mentally focused for my next turn at the table.
 
Ya I am learning still. Lesson learned. I agree that was not a good spot for my case to be. I got too comfortable since there was only a couple of us in the whole place and just wasn't worried about it.
Well, what happened?
 
Well, what happened?
Server knocked it over at a bar onto concrete. It appears to still roll true. I am surprised it slammed hard. I was racking some balls and it was on a holder it got bumped and slammed down on the floor. Very sad day.
 
Server knocked it over at a bar onto concrete. It appears to still roll true. I am surprised it slammed hard. I was racking some balls and it was on a holder it got bumped and slammed down on the floor. Very sad day.
Just curious here and maybe a dumb question. Why would a cue not roll straight after falling ? The pin or joint rattle and bends ? I understand it could get dinged up for sure, just not understanding how it could affect the roll.
 
First, congrats, AC cues are some of the best looking cues around, I have not hit with one so can't comment on that part. If I were to purchase a cue as a collectible AC would probably be one of the top 3 makers I would look at.

That being said, I purchased a very nice Dzuricky ($1400'sh) and I couldn't focus when playing in a packed bar so I sold it and switched to another custom cue maker but a much cheaper cue - $350'sh and now I'm back to not worrying about dings, honestly, if I hit the handle or anything below it I won't even look at it until I get to the table. Caring how the cue looks can, and will, interfere with MY game, your mileage may vary.
 
Just curious here and maybe a dumb question. Why would a cue not roll straight after falling ? The pin or joint rattle and bends ? I understand it could get dinged up for sure, just not understanding how it could affect the roll.

If it hits hard enough it could crack the shaft where the ferrule meets the shaft, if the shaft wasn't tight enough it could bend the pin, and if the bottom hit it could split butt, which would then protrude a little bit.

All rare things but item #3 has happened to me. Anytime my stick hits the ground (thankfully, not that often) I check that the joint is tight and then the ferrule then the butt.

Keep in mind, a stick might not just have gravity against it, if it's sitting in the right spot and someone falls or pushes a chair into it, it might actually be accelerating when it hits the ground and that can cause serious damage. It's why I cringe when I see people resting their cues IN their case against walls, etc. That case is heavy and the cue will be going MUCH faster and it will have more leverage when it hits whatever it's going to hit.

Keep your stick in your hand during a match and place it on the table when racking if you want to keep an eye on it.
 
First, congrats, AC cues are some of the best looking cues around, I have not hit with one so can't comment on that part. If I were to purchase a cue as a collectible AC would probably be one of the top 3 makers I would look at.

That being said, I purchased a very nice Dzuricky ($1400'sh) and I couldn't focus when playing in a packed bar so I sold it and switched to another custom cue maker but a much cheaper cue - $350'sh and now I'm back to not worrying about dings, honestly, if I hit the handle or anything below it I won't even look at it until I get to the table. Caring how the cue looks can, and will, interfere with MY game, your mileage may vary.
Ya agreed. I will say testing it vs a cheap sneaky the vibration difference is huge. These cues hit so solid. I haven't shot a carbon fiber shaft so don't know how that would compare. The solid feel is def a nice benefit though of the Carmeli.
 
Ya agreed. I will say testing it vs a cheap sneaky the vibration difference is huge. These cues hit so solid. I haven't shot a carbon fiber shaft so don't know how that would compare. The solid feel is def a nice benefit though of the Carmeli.

My daughter has one of the McDermott Lucky cues. It actually plays ok but honestly, I've found some bar cues recently that play better. That AC cue should play way different and shouldn't even be comparable. I can't comment on CF shafts as I'm not a fan and don't own any.

What did you play with before? Maker, woods, weight, etc. I'm interested to see your opinion on the two different cues.

Thanks
 
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