Boxed Points

TellsItLikeItIs said:
Careful there Mr Bick. Crow doesn't taste nearly as good as chicken.
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TellItLikeItIs, the posts you make are very informative and I enjoy reading them. You know your stuff... no doubt about that. I'm not asking you to identify yourself, but I would like to know why a cuemaker with your knowledge and experience would want to stay anonymous on a pool forum. If I knew who you were I'd probably want you to build a cue for me.
 
TellsItLikeItIs said:
That said, lets do one using dyed and mitered veneers, not hardwood recuts. The dyed veneers on the points will be mitered, but the bridges will not be (for same reasons as stated earlier). Ill start it later this week.
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It was driving me crazy all night as to how to do these with Dyed Veneers and not recuts. I think I have come up with a solution. I was going to start something today to test it out. I will post my photos of success or failure later in the week.
 
Thanks (I think) :-)
Like a whole lot of other makers, I came up the hard way. If I had trouble with a certain part of cue making I went to the shop and figured it out, not to my keyboard. Today its just way too easy to find answers on the internet, plus, all too often the internet answers can be misleading or innacurate. Not necessarily directing that at the makers offering advice here, but I have to wonder, is it a good thing to spoon feed the individual just going into this business? I don't believe it is.

My knowledge and experience? Thanks, but I'm nowhere near the top of the food chain. Probably never will be either. Look at Dave Barenbrugge, Bill McDaniels and the like. Those are the guys that I think are at the top of their trade. I'm sure they had some help along the way, but for the most part
they learned on their own. If they happened to pick up any bad habits, it was their albatross, not one they gained by reading internet answers.

I realize that often I come across as being selfish with info, in fact I'm very aware of that. Do I apologize for that? No! I fully intend to continue that same position. In truth though, it's not selfishness, it's more an encouragement to the person wanting to learn: "Get off your butt and just go do it!"

Off the soap box now:
Why anonymous?
1. I don't and won't sell on AZ or any other forum.
2. I'm not interested in making & selling a lot of cues.
2. I have never depended entirely on cue making as my sole income.
3. I don't want my work duplicated (no I'm not one of the "Design Theft" groupies).
4. All too often showing one's work may be viewed as touting.
5. Cause I may want to cuss now & then & my Preacher is a member here.
6. etc
7. etc

edited to read Barenbrugge not Barenbrunge. Sorry Dave.


Charlie Edwards said:
TellItLikeItIs, the posts you make are very informative and I enjoy reading them. You know your stuff... no doubt about that. I'm not asking you to identify yourself, but I would like to know why a cuemaker with your knowledge and experience would want to stay anonymous on a pool forum. If I knew who you were I'd probably want you to build a cue for me.
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Good job Tony. That's what it's all about...Sleepless nights :)
Tony Zinzola said:
It was driving me crazy all night as to how to do these with Dyed Veneers and not recuts. I think I have come up with a solution. I was going to start something today to test it out. I will post my photos of success or failure later in the week.
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TellsItLikeItIs said:
Off the soap box now:
Why anonymous?
1. I don't and won't sell on AZ or any other forum.
2. I'm not interested in making & selling a lot of cues.
2. I have never depended entirely on cue making as my sole income.
3. I don't want my work duplicated (no I'm not one of the "Design Theft" groupies).
4. All too often showing one's work may be viewed as touting.
5. Cause I may want to cuss now & then & my Preacher is a member here.
6. etc
7. etc
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LOL funny but so true.
I know exactly what you are talking about.
However I do post photos of my cues because:

1. I like them and think they are nice cues.
2. I want to show others my work.
3. Sometimes other cue makers will offer constructive advice about my designs.

Most photos of cues that I post are already spoken for.

Selling a cue sight unseen will result in one of two things.
Either the guy likes the cue or he dont and sales / trades it off.
If the guy that did not like it is ever asked about a Willeecue he will say something like I had one but did not like it.
That is OK but since I dont make very many cues either I would rather have them in the hands of players that like them enough to keep and use them.
The best way for that to happen is for the buyer to play with the cue first.
 
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WilleeCue said:
LOL funny but so true.
I know exactly what you are talking about.
However I do post photos of my cues because:

1. I like them and think they are nice cues.
2. I want to show others my work.
3. Sometimes other cue makers will offer constructive advice about my designs.

Most photos of cues that I post are already spoken for.

Selling a cue sight unseen will result in one of two things.
Either the guy likes the cue or he dont and sales / trades it off.
If the gut that did not like it is ever asked about a Willeecue he will say something like I had one but did not like it.
That is OK but since I dont make very many cues either I would rather have them in the hands of players that like them enough to keep and use them.
The best way for that to happen is for the buyer to play with the cue first.
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Although I only build custom ordered cues for individuals, so I seldom have any just for sale, I still have a web-site, with a number of cues with the price that they were sold for so as to give shoppers a sampling of my work and what they can expect to pay for a custom cue. I received orders for 3 cues off of it this week alone.

Dick
 
Now I can sleep ...

This was a test. Dyed Veneer Strips. Mitered at the top, not at the bottom. Keep in mind, this was done in about 4 hours for something that probably should have taken a couple of days. Please disregard any obvious glue lines. I made up some quick tools to see if I could do this. The points I glued in probably weren't very square.

So for those of you who asked me the other day if I can do this style points, I guess the answer would be yes. Whether I can do them well remains to be seen. I don't think it came out too bad for a first attempt. When I actually build a cue, it will certainly look better than this.

I will build a cue this week if I have time and see how it comes out. This isn't an actual cue. Everything was scrap and I only put two points in.

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Throw in a curve, and some non standard materials.... (ivory/silver/turquoise) :D
 

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Here's the other end of the points.... both pictures are of an unfinished forearm.
 

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very attractive Sheldon...I usually don't like turquoise (too loud) in a cue but it works so good here.

Martin
 
Something about the combination of turquoise and ivory in ebony is really sweet. I've made a few with that combo, and they are all stunning.
 
Sweet

Tony Zinzola said:
This was a test. Dyed Veneer Strips. Mitered at the top, not at the bottom. Keep in mind, this was done in about 4 hours for something that probably should have taken a couple of days. Please disregard any obvious glue lines. I made up some quick tools to see if I could do this. The points I glued in probably weren't very square.

So for those of you who asked me the other day if I can do this style points, I guess the answer would be yes. Whether I can do them well remains to be seen. I don't think it came out too bad for a first attempt. When I actually build a cue, it will certainly look better than this.

I will build a cue this week if I have time and see how it comes out. This isn't an actual cue. Everything was scrap and I only put two points in.
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That looks pretty dang good to me. If you aren't worried about giving up any trade secrets, when you build the next one take a couple pics in different stages. Good job.
 
TellsItLikeItIs said:
Sure, why not. Lets raise the bar a little higher though, partly for the benefit of those that

and partly cause its labor intensive and more difficult.

That said, lets do one using dyed and mitered veneers, not hardwood recuts. The dyed veneers on the points will be mitered, but the bridges will not be (for same reasons as stated earlier). Ill start it later this week.
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I, personally, prefer recuts but that's just me. Here's one that is on the way with bridged recuts:

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Tony Zinzola said:
I saw that Searing cue. Downloaded the pic so I get a close look in Photoshop. Certainly looked like Mitres there to me as well. In another thread, somebody suspected it was done with recuts, but I could see the seam when I blew up the picture. Of course, it was fuzzy and my eyes could have deceived me.

I'll have to play around a bit over the next several weeks and see what I can come up with.
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Tony

Your eyes are definately deceiving you. My cue has no mitres at all. The points are all solid recuts, making this cue very special indeed. Each bridged recut is a solid piece of wood...all the way round. All the figure in each flame maple recut is bookmatched all the way round the cue.

To this day, I am still trying to find a cue that matches this one for workmanship.

Regards

Simon
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