Boyes on the 'drag' shot..................

Shot comes up a lot. Good tip here.
Good points in the video. There are two main forces affecting a drag (draw) shot, backspin and forward momentum. Everyone who tells people to "hit that draw stroke harder, bear down, snap the wrist" is putting too much oomph on the ball's forward action, fighting that lovely draw spin and jumping the ball off the cloth with that elevated cue.

A soft touch is needed on close draw shots, mastered before applying a somewhat harder touch on the faraway ones.
 
He specifically chose the shot on the rail not to demonstrate a drag shot, but to show how, by elevating your cue and coming down on the cue ball, a slightly similar effect can be had when you’re tight on the rail.

Once again, what was the cue ball supposed to do? In the video, when he elevated his cue, the cue ball looked like it rolled after it was struck by the cue. The only reason the cue ball didn't overrun the position on that shot was because he hit the object ball fuller than the shot where he "rolled" the cue ball, over cut the object ball, and the cue ball overran the position. It was over cutting the object ball that caused the cue ball to overrun the position--not "rolling" the cue ball.

Also, does the cue ball know that you "jabbed" at it, as recommended, rather than "smooth stroked" it? I submit that the cue ball only knows how hard it was struck with the tip, and it doesn't matter if the cue speed at cue ball impact was produced by a "jab" or a "smooth stroke".
 
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Interesting... Was I the only person that picked up on the fact that he only put the OB in the right part of the pocket when he demostrated this version of kill shot..???

Maybe he took it to extremes to prove a point on the first 'bad' shots. However the only one he hit even remotely well was the last.

Karl's video is an advertisement for straight pool in my opinion.
 
Once again, what was the cue ball supposed to do? In the video, when he elevated his cue, the cue ball looked like it rolled after it was struck by the cue. The only reason the cue ball didn't overrun the position on that shot was because he hit the object ball fuller than the shot where he "rolled" the cue ball, over cut the object ball, and the cue ball over ran the position. It was over cutting the object ball that caused the cue ball to over run the position--not "rolling" the cue ball.

Also, does the cue ball know that you "jabbed" at it, as recommended, rather than "smooth stroked" it? I submit that the cue ball only knows how hard it was struck with the tip, and it doesn't matter if the cue speed at cue ball impact was produced by a "jab" or a "smooth stroke".
Ahhh, this is really difficult.

For starters, I don’t think he did a very good job of explaining the shot, and as mentioned by JV:

Interesting... Was I the only person that picked up on the fact that he only put the OB in the right part of the pocket when he demostrated this version of kill shot..???

Maybe he took it to extremes to prove a point on the first 'bad' shots. However the only one he hit even remotely well was the last.

Karl's video is an advertisement for straight pool in my opinion.

It was contrived because he can’t demonstrate a ball rolling off or a kick, so he had to miss his initial shots on purpose. That’s nothing new for pool tutorials. And it kind of has to look obvious, because it’s pretty hard to miss a pot on purpose. I did a Diamond Dave video running my age in straight pool and on my exact age, tried to intentionally miss a short side cut all the way from the rack end to the kitchen corner pocket. Smashed it right into the heart of the pocket.

Anyway, back to this shot. It’s not a drag shot. Does he even call it a drag shot? (doesn’t matter if he does) This is difficult to describe away form the table, but you probably know what I’m talking about. I think what he means by jabbing the ball is a shortened backswing to avoid generating too much power, but using a little wrist snap, or finger grip, or whatever your method of choice is, to generate enough acceleration through the cueball to cause it to slide slightly as it initially starts moving. But there’s a very small margin where you get this effect for the shot he demonstrated.

I think in pool you call this a “nip shot” or something? In snooker, you sometimes see it when someone lands too high on the black, and they want to kill the cueball off the top rail to hold for a red at the bottom of the pack; short back swing with rapid acceleration through the bottom of the cue ball.

I’m pretty sure this is what he’s trying to describe. I personally wouldn’t play this shot like that. I would, as just mentioned while I was typing this, play the ball fuller and use whatever part of the pocket I needed to. Jacking up is never good. We all know how quickly the shot goes wrong if you hit even a millimeter off from where you intended.
 
There's so much good content top players are putting out, it's inevitable that they will push the limits of reality while trying to put out original content.

And this, too. I have an interest in making videos, as some of you have had the pleasure of witnessing with Diamond Dave. But honestly, despite having a wealth of knowledge to share, as so many here do, I don’t want to make videos about the same old stuff. What am I going to add to playing with side that hasn’t already been talked about on YouTube? So instead, I put my cue in a sex toy to clean it, threw my cue out the window, and collapsed on my table doing a one handed pushup.

That’s where I landed when I searched for original content. I guess Boyes landed here.
 
Also, does the cue ball know that you "jabbed" at it, as recommended, rather than "smooth stroked" it? I submit that the cue ball only knows how hard it was struck with the tip, and it doesn't matter if the cue speed at cue ball impact was produced by a "jab" or a "smooth stroke".
I don't know about the cue ball, but the ladies know....they also know if you attempt to much bottom. They will call foul. 🚦
 
Karl is a great player, and his intent here was spot on, his choice of shot to demonstrate a drag shot wasn’t the best. But I still appreciate Karl and what he’s doing. The fact he’s helping newer players is great.

Best
Fatboy😀
You're walking a fine line here my friend...YES or NO...is this 'Fatboy Approved'??? lol
 
... That’s where I landed when I searched for original content. I guess Boyes landed here.
Deciding on the right content is a big problem. Dr. Dave has discovered that when he covers more advanced content the viewing numbers drop way down. The majority of players who watch YouTube pool videos have never drawn the cue ball four feet. Think APA level 3 or 250 Fargo rating. So, do you create for them or do something that is interesting to you?
 
When a cue ball is struck below vertical center it spins backward. Due to cloth friction the backward rotation continues to slow down until it rotates forward. To me, a drag shot is controlling this rotation in relationship to when the cue ball contacts the object ball. I don't see how this changes either balls' direction....
 
When a cue ball is struck below vertical center it spins backward. Due to cloth friction the backward rotation continues to slow down until it rotates forward. To me, a drag shot is controlling this rotation in relationship to when the cue ball contacts the object ball. I don't see how this changes either balls' direction....
Because your cue is inevitably angled downward when you hit the CB below center, any unintended side will cause the CB to curve with masse.

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Deciding on the right content is a big problem. Dr. Dave has discovered that when he covers more advanced content the viewing numbers drop way down. The majority of players who watch YouTube pool videos have never drawn the cue ball four feet. Think APA level 3 or 250 Fargo rating. So, do you create for them or do something that is interesting to you?
Well, I think everyone can benefit from seeing a cue thrown out a window, or a shaft inserted into a sex toy, regardless of their Fungo rating.

But more seriously, it’s quite difficult to detach yourself from the world you live in and slum it with the plebs. Fuck, I have to stop posting after bourbon.

More seriously, it’s quite difficult to comprehend that 95% of pool players haven’t had a break and run. Is that too high? Too low?

I don’t know. Here’s a photo of me right now, on Jeju Island In South Korea!

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It’s the condescending tone that gets me. Most of the time when a pro starts with,”here’s something you’ve never seen before”, it’s usually something you’ve known about for years. Maybe they need to get out more
 
Once again, what was the cue ball supposed to do? In the video, when he elevated his cue, the cue ball looked like it rolled after it was struck by the cue. The only reason the cue ball didn't overrun the position on that shot was because he hit the object ball fuller than the shot where he "rolled" the cue ball, over cut the object ball, and the cue ball overran the position. It was over cutting the object ball that caused the cue ball to overrun the position--not "rolling" the cue ball.

Also, does the cue ball know that you "jabbed" at it, as recommended, rather than "smooth stroked" it? I submit that the cue ball only knows how hard it was struck with the tip, and it doesn't matter if the cue speed at cue ball impact was produced by a "jab" or a "smooth stroke".
I think Karl's whole point was that even from close to the cushion, hitting the ball below center allows a firmer hit with the same arrival speed, and the firmer hit will not roll off as much. The assumption is that the table is not level. I think under tournament conditions, most tournament players will roll that ball.

As for the "jab stroke" stuff, I think that kind of stroke categorization can be useful to players to set them up to get a particular result. I'm pretty sure it has no basis in the physics of stick-ball reactions or even in sports kinesiology. There are some top 10 players who believe in multiple kinds of stroke and others who are satisfied with one basic motion.
 
It’s the condescending tone that gets me. Most of the time when a pro starts with, "here's something you’ve never seen before”,...
That seems to be pretty standard -- The Secret to ... -- whatever the subject is. For pool, the "secrets" have usually been widely available in print since 1978 if not since 1839. (There is a diagram from 1839 showing squirt, swerve and backhand pivoting.)
 
... More seriously, it’s quite difficult to comprehend that 95% of pool players haven’t had a break and run. Is that too high? Too low?...
It depends on how you count pool players. For those who play at least five times a year, it may be about right. Surely you've been in pubs where no one knew which end to chalk or much cared. (Or is that "no one else"? ;))
 
Being one of these APA 3 / 250 Fargo type players that feel like they’ve won the Powerball after a runout, the biggest take I got from this video was to simply get on the correct side of pocket line for the 4 ball.

Because I’ll tell you the most common outcome of this scenario for someone like me: pocket the 2, pocket the 3 in the opposite side and be out of shape on the 4. Then play safe by banking the 4 and leaving the CB at opposite sides of the table. At least I’ve got the wherewithal to attempt a safety. That separates me from the ‘play 5 times per year’ crowd.

And it’s no surprise that pool videos of multiple choice questions get low views. It’s like teaching music theory to aspiring rock musicians.
 
Deciding on the right content is a big problem. Dr. Dave has discovered that when he covers more advanced content the viewing numbers drop way down. The majority of players who watch YouTube pool videos have never drawn the cue ball four feet. Think APA level 3 or 250 Fargo rating. So, do you create for them or do something that is interesting to you?
Great point Bob.

The spectrum of skill is so wide it’s very difficult to have wide appeal. What’s routine for some players is well past some players skill for a few years.
 
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