Break Ball Problems

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14.1 Wannabe
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Ok, so I worked on runs tonight and am having significant problems with break ball results.

With the traditional break shot of a ball near the right or left side of the rack, with the CB parallel to the rail, I seem to get a decent break shot, but many times end up with no shot.

I set up 40-50 of these breaks tonight, and did poorly on the first 5 or so. I got 6 great break shots in a row, and that was wonderful. HOWEVER, afterwards, I ended up MANY times with very solid hits into the rack, and NO shots available afterwards. So, I proceeded, with my daughter and wife watching, to rack and try another 40 or so racks. (Funny thing, this is the first time my 20 yr old daughter has ever been interested in pool, watching me fail and try over and over again...)

I had twelve 15 ball runs, and sixteen 14 ball runs, and ONE twenty ball run. On the rack that I FINALLY made it into the second rack, I ended up stuck in a problem ball area of 4 balls, with NO shot. Of course, as soon as ANY run was over, I racked and started over with a new break shot. For the most part, I made all of the open balls. But got stuck on clearing problem balls early and making clean secondary breaks. When I did clear the table a few times I completely screwed up the end pattern.

It seemed when I moved to leaving a back break ball (foot of the rack) I got a MUCH better spread on the rack, and FAR less problem balls left.

Should I be trying to hit the rack in between a couple of balls, in front of a ball to catch it fuller, or glance off of it to keep clear of getting stuck?

Prior to working on break balls and runs, I practiced just rolling out 15 balls and shooting. I cleared the table with no misses 9 out of 10 times. So I can pot balls, I just clearly can't play 14.1. This break ball set up, and the ability to get a clean spread on the break is driving me nuts.
 
Should I be trying to hit the rack in between a couple of balls, in front of a ball to catch it fuller, or glance off of it to keep clear of getting stuck?
often where you hit the rack is predetermined by the B-ball. basically, you must adjust your hit on the cue accordingly so you don't over-draw or scratch.
 
Keep it going

Sounds like you are coming along. Like I said once before: practice, practice, practice.
I have not steadily practice myself in months and my game is showing it. Every time I think that I am going to get in some practice, some thing comes up.
The other day. I went into my game room and set up a break shot and ran 28. I then missed a very makable break shot. I then ran 42 from that point. Again, I missed a makable break shot. From that point I ran 42 and then missed another very makable break shot.
I then put down the cue and left the room. This seems like a typical practice session for me. I did video tape that short practice and will down load it in a few days.
OK, keep up the good work.
 
Thanks SM.

Yeah, I hear what you are saying about practice. When I played seriously in college (almost 30 yrs ago) I practiced 1-2 hours virtually every day. THEN, I went out and played, or added tournament time to it. BUT, I did about an hour of drills, and about an hour of snooker for practice, Then I'd go play games on bar boxes, and it was like shooting the broad side of a barn.

I am trying to shoot at least every day now, and I make it most days. My ball hits and stroke are becoming far more reliable already.

Things I am REALLY going to practice:
Back Cuts
Break ball shots (set), and clearing from there
Rolling 15 out and shooting from there

Building up to:
3 ball end pattern (add a ball)
Blackjacks' 3x3 drill
ForceFollows' Short Line Drill
ForceFollows' Long Line Drill

As mentioned before, I am getting much cleaner in my shots, making far better shot selection (which makes the run easier), and getting better and better cue ball control as I practice.

What I am NOT doing well is getting patterns to work out well, and it seems even on set practice break ball shots, that I have too many problem balls on the table OR I end up with NO shot relatively early as I try to resolve the problems on the table.

Of course, if I were PLAYING with one of you, it would be far easier to pick this up in person. Internet answers and guidance help, videos help a ton, but as you know, a little guidance in person on a shot by shot basis would shorten my learning curve.

I feel like I am shooting far better than a couple of weeks ago, no question. But did you ever have that feeling that you just get "unlucky" too often with available shots? That is where I am at. And of course, we all know, that more practice makes us far luckier (or so it seems)... LOL!
 
Yeah, I hear what you are saying about practice. When I played seriously in college (almost 30 yrs ago) I practiced 1-2 hours virtually every day.

What I am NOT doing well is getting patterns to work out well, and it seems even on set practice break ball shots, that I have too many problem balls on the table OR I end up with NO shot relatively early as I try to resolve the problems on the table.

Of course, if I were PLAYING with one of you, it would be far easier to pick this up in person. Internet answers and guidance help, videos help a ton, but as you know, a little guidance in person on a shot by shot basis would shorten my learning curve.
Practicing will definitely help you improve but you also need more knowledge about the game. I would highly recommend that you search for other threads and postings here in this forum by Blackjack. If you search on youtube.com, Blackjack also has a lot of video clips with drills and commentary. Also, check out Blackjack's video clips in which he analyzes the runs made by other people like Neils Feijen and Thorsten Hohmann.
 
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often where you hit the rack is predetermined by the B-ball. basically, you must adjust your hit on the cue accordingly so you don't over-draw or scratch.

Very true. If you're hitting about mid-point on the side of the rack, known to many as "The Rock Ribs", you may not get the cue ball out and the balls won't spread well at all. Takes practice:p
 
Practicing will definitely help you improve but you also need more knowledge about the game. I would highly recommend that you search for other threads and postings here in this forum by Blackjack. If you search on youtube.com, Blackjack also has a lot of video clips with drills and commentary. Also, check out Blackjack's video clips in which he analyzes the runs made by other people like Neils Feijen and Thorsten Hohmann.

Thanks Allen, yes, I have been doing all that you suggest. Reading threads, watching videos, reading articles, sites and blogs, drawing out drills, etc...

Practice I can do. Getting my stroke consistency, accuracy and speed back, I can do on my own. Been there, done that. 14.1 Knowledge is the issue at this point, it is just gonna take me longer without a local good 14.1 mentor to have some quality time with.
 
all i can recomend is Practice, Practice, Practice !!!

there are some great instructional DVD's like Grady Mathews has a tape that focusses on keyballs and break shots....I also recomend Jim Rempe's "How To Run A Rack" & "How To Run 100 Balls", there is alot of great material on those discs.

If you like Books i recomend: Phil Capelle's - Play Your Best Straight Pool


Good Luck & Good Straight Pool !

-Steve
 
Thanks Steve. I have a couple of those, and will get the others after I exhaust the YouTube, Vimeo and post options. Tons of stuff readily available.

Practice I am doing, no question there.

Watching and talking with someone that knows what they are doing? Well, that would be PRICELESS about now... LOL!
 
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