Woody Woodworth of Woodworth cues uses both IPE & Purple Heart for jump break cues.
Break Cue Shaft
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lyptus is also good as someone said.Oasge Orange makes a good break cue shaft.i don't know technically how hard it is,but my Dad burned a few pieces in his fireplace and it melted the iron grate in his fireplace.it also ruins a chainsaw blade extremely quick.
masonh said:
We have 2 chain saws, been cutting alot of big oaks with them the last couple of years, and I have to keep them sharpened with a blade file. It last alittle while, and the Stihl cuts It pretty well, but I'd hate to see anything harder, and how quickly they would dull or what other kind of damage could occur.
MY neighbor was telling me about a time when he was cutting iron wood, and said he could see sparks. It's supposed to be hard on tools. I'd hate to put a chain saw to that stuff.
fullsplicefiend said:
Thanks for letting me know about him! He says that he absolutely loves making IPE shafts, but that it is hard to find one with perfectly straight grains. He suggests using them as a laminate. I think I am going to call him and ask him if he can send me a couple blanks to work with! I think I will try it out and see how they do. According to him they are the bomb diggity to use for breaking! That is what I was suspecting, so I am going to try it out.
Purple Heart, Ipe & Other Break Shafts
Hi all:
I have made quite a few break shafts out of Purple Heart with a pro taper and they do hit very well. In fact I often use it as my playing cue shaft (I like the "ping").
I have also made several break/playing shafts out of Red Oak. It seems to play between Purple Heart and Maple; also with a pro taper. My personal playing cue has a Red Oak shaft.
Joe Sanko (Sanko Custom Cues), from Venice FL, I believe has made shafts from IPE (also called Green Heart).
Bob Flynn
Denali Pool Cues
Hi all:
I have made quite a few break shafts out of Purple Heart with a pro taper and they do hit very well. In fact I often use it as my playing cue shaft (I like the "ping").
I have also made several break/playing shafts out of Red Oak. It seems to play between Purple Heart and Maple; also with a pro taper. My personal playing cue has a Red Oak shaft.
Joe Sanko (Sanko Custom Cues), from Venice FL, I believe has made shafts from IPE (also called Green Heart).
Bob Flynn
Denali Pool Cues
QMAKER said:
Well Gabriel has a bunch of experience with it, and says that his break shafts come out to about 6 oz when he makes them with IPE material. He says he makes them as a laminate, and that it is his absolute favorite to break with. I just got done sending him an email, and I am hoping to get a couple blanks off of him. I will let my cue maker fix them up with tips, ferrules and joints.
Anyway, I will give you all a heads up after I try it!
dave sutton
Banned
Kelly_Guy said:
agreed. i dont understand why ppl break with 22 oz cues or more
you can throw a lighter cue faster. speed is better than weight. speed + more mph
Dman said:Maybe.....is there proof of speed over weight?, or is it assumed?
If i was a cue ball, I'd rather get it with a light weight ,fast moving,carbon fiber rod than a "slow moving" heavy solid oak ax handle. Shoot me with a 9mm instead of a 44 mag.
Ofcourse there is proof, stemming from Newton's second law of motion. Force equals mass time acceleration. Acceleration is the rate of change of velocity, or its first derivative in calculus terms. If you double velocity, you get a greater result of force than if you double mass.
Your bullet analogy doesn't apply. A 44 mag uses a 10.9 mm diameter bullet. It is phsyically larger, so it will do more phsyical damage in terms of area.
A 180 grain bullet traveling at 1610 feet per second has 1036 ft lb of energy. A 240 grain bullet traveling at 1180 feet per second as only 741 ft lb of energy. Both are plenty high enough to tear flesh. A larger bullet will do more physical damage.
A cue ball weighs the same, regardless of what cue hits it. The only thing that increases the energy of the cueball is a higher velocity of the cueball. There is probably a relative maxima (again, calculus talk) for every person in terms of force created when breaking. Too heavy of a cue, and the person will not be able to generate enough stick speed to get maximum results. If the cue is too light, then the force is reduced, because the players muscle fibers can fire only so fast. There is a peak speed someone can achieve using a certain weight cue, and if the cue is any lighter, the speed will be the same with less mass, so less force. That optimum cue weight is a little different for everyone, depending on their weight, their strength, and how fast they can physically move. Ofcourse throw in inconsistent hits, not hitting center, too much stick speed and control is not optimum, and it all greatly becomes a personal preference.
Why do you think it is against the rules for baseball players to cork bats? A corked bat weighs less, but the increase velocity of swinging the bat more than makes up for the less mass, so the baseball goes farther (as long as the bat doesn't shatter).
Kelly
The Magician
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Dman said:Maybe.....is there proof of speed over weight?, or is it assumed?
If i was a cue ball, I'd rather get it with a light weight ,fast moving,carbon fiber rod than a "slow moving" heavy solid oak ax handle. Shoot me with a 9mm instead of a 44 mag.
Think of it in terms of automobiles, transmitions in particular. Larger, stronger transmitions, such as the th400, can handle larger loads (energy) than say a th350, but at the cost of parasitic loss.
So, and this is my way of loking at it (possibly b.s.), using the lightest cue possible will allow for a larger transfer of energy to the cueball.
I figure the belief that a heavier cue will alow for a more powerful break comes from the law of physics that states that things in motion tend to stay in motion, but this is of little benefit since the contact between the cue and the cueball during the break is such a short period of time.
The more energy that can be transfered during this contact between the tip and ball, the more powerful the break. A lighter cue will store less energy than a heavier cue, thus transfering more energy to the cueball.
B.S., maybe; but it sounds good, doesn't it?
Edit: I'll keep this up for the chuckle, but Kelly_Guy's explaination is much better/accurate than mine.
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I was just fooling around with bullet thingy, But I can tell you that in the real world of that the idea of:
180 grain bullet traveling at 1610 feet per second has 1036 ft lb of energy.
is more damaging, based on speed and ft lb of energy is BS.
240 grain bullet traveling at 1180 feet per second has 741 ft lb of energy ,dumps more energy into its target due to its weight and mass.
of course thats firearms into a body and not a human arm , throwing a cue at a cue ball!
I guess i need to save that for another fourm
180 grain bullet traveling at 1610 feet per second has 1036 ft lb of energy.
is more damaging, based on speed and ft lb of energy is BS.
240 grain bullet traveling at 1180 feet per second has 741 ft lb of energy ,dumps more energy into its target due to its weight and mass.
of course thats firearms into a body and not a human arm , throwing a cue at a cue ball!
I guess i need to save that for another fourm