Break Rak - Interesting

nobcitypool

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I broke down and bought the Break Rak trainer. After installing it, I've hits hundreds of shots trying different techniques spoken about here and on various videos. Standing up taller, using the hip, lunging into the shot, exaggerated follow through, choking up on the, choking back on the cue, etc.. I used the iPhone tool to measure the speed. While I have no way of calibrating the iPhone app to see if the actual measurement is accurate, I do think it is safe to say it's relative accuracy is good.

I eventually found one method that delivered the most convincing results for me, both in accuracy and speed. It turned out to be what Scott Lee has told me every time I asked him about it. Using a normal stroke, staying down and still, using SPF, keeping the grip, arm and shoulder as relaxed as possible and focusing on making solid contact with the head ball was consistently 2 mph plus better than anything else I tried. Certainly, the accuracy of my hit on the head ball and resultant placement of the CB (squatting it) were much better.

To be fair, I am sure it takes more talent than I presently have and hours upon hours of practice to coordinate all the extra movements so they flow together and yield the higher speeds. I would be willing to bet however, that many of the guys achieving those high twenty, low thirty mph break speeds could also achieve much higher than average break speeds with a normal stroke.

I will humbly point out that my best results were in the high 18 to low 19 mph range with the standard stroke. I personally believe my best alternative to gain speed is to do some weight training to strengthen my right bicep, that is the path I will take from here for improvement. I'm hoping that incorporating the break rak into my normal daily drills will also offer some improvement, both in accuracy and speed. Regardless, I'm realistic at being 55 years old, it's more than highly unlikely I'll be hitting break shots at 25 mph plus a year from now. Any way you cut it, this tool and technique will help me be better than I was and am at the moment.

The Break Rak certainly appears to be one of the best, if not the best, training tool I have purchased. You're able to hit 50 break shots in the time it would take to hit 5 were you racking the balls each time.

I've also heard many people here comment about how the SPF Certified Instructors are so much "this is the only way to do it" or "do it my way or the highway". When I've asked Scott, all he has ever done is explain his theory, the reasoning behind it and suggested I try it. I would go so far as to say I wish Scott would have been somewhat emphatic so that I could have possibly reached this point sooner. But then again, I'm often so hard headed I doubt that would have helped either. :embarrassed2:
 
work on your technique not weights. Also try cj touch of inside on the break lol I will make a video of my break using his technique and on his other stuff if i get some time tomorrow. I will even through some cte/pro1 stuff on it :grin:
 
work on your technique not weights. Also try cj touch of inside on the break lol I will make a video of my break using his technique and on his other stuff if i get some time tomorrow. I will even through some cte/pro1 stuff on it :grin:

Dude, I'd like to meet you for a beer and cigar some time, you have a great sense of humor and I can tell you love friendly ball busting. I actually tried his technique of inside english and hitting the bottom of the CB with the top of the tip. Broke a window and ended up sleeping on the couch for two nights. :grin-square:
 
Thats because you had that mental picture of the jump shot picture in your head you uploaded in the other thread :grin:


have a look at this video and there is a part in it where he lifts his cue and then drops it back to center. I do this sometimes and it helps me get a little more power. This is a similar technique pretty much Cj is talking about with top of the tip technique only you have to tweak it for normal play :) Greyghost is a member here and posts often.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dCijk8hCY0o#t=192s

My biggest issue with the break is my racking skills sucks.
 
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I broke down and bought the Break Rak trainer. After installing it, I've hits hundreds of shots trying different techniques spoken about here and on various videos. Standing up taller, using the hip, lunging into the shot, exaggerated follow through, choking up on the, choking back on the cue, etc.. I used the iPhone tool to measure the speed. While I have no way of calibrating the iPhone app to see if the actual measurement is accurate, I do think it is safe to say it's relative accuracy is good.

I eventually found one method that delivered the most convincing results for me, both in accuracy and speed. It turned out to be what Scott Lee has told me every time I asked him about it. Using a normal stroke, staying down and still, using SPF, keeping the grip, arm and shoulder as relaxed as possible and focusing on making solid contact with the head ball was consistently 2 mph plus better than anything else I tried. Certainly, the accuracy of my hit on the head ball and resultant placement of the CB (squatting it) were much better.

To be fair, I am sure it takes more talent than I presently have and hours upon hours of practice to coordinate all the extra movements so they flow together and yield the higher speeds. I would be willing to bet however, that many of the guys achieving those high twenty, low thirty mph break speeds could also achieve much higher than average break speeds with a normal stroke.

I will humbly point out that my best results were in the high 18 to low 19 mph range with the standard stroke. I personally believe my best alternative to gain speed is to do some weight training to strengthen my right bicep, that is the path I will take from here for improvement. I'm hoping that incorporating the break rak into my normal daily drills will also offer some improvement, both in accuracy and speed. Regardless, I'm realistic at being 55 years old, it's more than highly unlikely I'll be hitting break shots at 25 mph plus a year from now. Any way you cut it, this tool and technique will help me be better than I was and am at the moment.

The Break Rak certainly appears to be one of the best, if not the best, training tool I have purchased. You're able to hit 50 break shots in the time it would take to hit 5 were you racking the balls each time.

I've also heard many people here comment about how the SPF Certified Instructors are so much "this is the only way to do it" or "do it my way or the highway". When I've asked Scott, all he has ever done is explain his theory, the reasoning behind it and suggested I try it. I would go so far as to say I wish Scott would have been somewhat emphatic so that I could have possibly reached this point sooner. But then again, I'm often so hard headed I doubt that would have helped either. :embarrassed2:

It turned out to be what Scott Lee has told me every time I asked him about it. Using a normal stroke, staying down and still, using SPF, keeping the grip, arm and shoulder as relaxed as possible and focusing on making solid contact with the head ball was consistently 2 mph plus better than anything else I tried.

No offense but I'm pretty sure with that instruction you would be the laughing stock of a women's event....

I have zero issue with Scott's teaching but on the break you have to hit a specific speed to replicate the pro break... On Diamond with new simonis it's around 24mph... 24 is easy to reach with a long lever but you won't likely see it with a normal stroke and staying down unless you are a pretty large guy... I am 6'2" 200# and I pop em at 22 with a normal stroke.. Lengthening the lever gets me around 26-27 without straining.... I've hit close to 32 but that's coming out of my shoes...

If you want help on the break you need to look to the young whipper snappers if you want to compete...... Low and normal equals slow... and quality of hit might be the nuts but if you get the same quality of hit at higher speeds you'd be nuts not to work on it......
 
I appreciate your input. I may put some more time in experimenting with other methods, easy to do with the break rak. I believe I can get somewhere close to 24 mph with increased practice and perhaps, some weight work/exercise.

I used my standard stroke break approach Tuesday evening in league. I got one or two balls on every 9 ball break and at least one ball on every 8 ball break. There was a very reasonable spread of the balls. I am very satisfied with that, I'm sure however I won't be able to have that kind of success every night by any means.

Thanks for your input.
 
The Break Rak certainly appears to be one of the best, if not the best, training tool I have purchased. You're able to hit 50 break shots in the time it would take to hit 5 were you racking the balls each time.

Absolutely agree, I bought this and have many people wanting to borrow it (answer is NO). I made a top ten list of the best things I spent money for pool:

1. Home with room enough for pool table
2. Pool table in said room
3. Custom light to provide adequate light
4. Break-rak to improve most important shot in the game
5. Pool instruction books, especially Pleasures of Small Motions
6. Lomax shaft converting back-up cue into monster break cue
7. Delta-13 rack
8. Simonis X-1 cleaner
9. Aramith ball cleaner kit
10. My pair of Schons, case, and all tools required to maintain them
 
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