Break Stats -- 2012 US Open 9-Ball, Oct. 2012

[AtLarge]

Dear At Large--

I think you might have to add to your list of playing conditions the fact that the TV table is dried out by the strong lights. By some oversight on the part of tournament directors, I have never been put on the TV table at a tournament, but I'm wondering if the TV table might play a little like a heated billiard table. I've noticed that on it the pros are likelier to overrun their position than to come up short. It would be interesting to compare your statistics to similar data collected from one of the non-TV tables. I realize that you are not in a situation to do that.

Thanks much for your statistics. It will be fun to see how they may change as the tournament progresses into the later rounds. We'll have ever stronger match-ups and therefore, presumably, stronger breakers, but then there will be less slide from the new cloth.

True, the streamed table may be playing a bit faster than the other tables because of the lights. Several players have had trouble over-running position. But, as you note, we see only the one table, so I can't compare it to the other tables in terms of statistics.

As far as strong match-ups ahead, yes, but yesterday was pretty special in itself!

 

[Tobermory]

Dear At Large--

You are so right! Yesterday was a treat!

 

[AtLarge]

Post #1 has been updated with the results from streamed matches on Thursday (Day 5).

The stats were a bit worse on Day 5 than on Day 4, including the breaker winning fewer than half the games. Of course, this stat varied a lot from match to match, with lows reached in the Orcollo/Feijen match, where the breaker lost 13 of 19 games, and in the See/Shuff match, where the breaker lost 15 of 21 games.

 

[AtLarge]

Post #1 has been updated with the results from streamed matches on Friday (Day 6).

It was the second straight day with the breaker winning fewer than half the games.

 

[AtLarge]

Post #1 has been updated with the results from streamed matches on the final day, Saturday (Day 7).

Day 7 involved only 3 streamed matches, but the stats were high -- 76% of the breaks were wet and 43% of the games were run out from the break!

As post #1 shows, for all 37 streamed matches combined (638 games over 7 days), the breaker made at least one ball (and did not foul) 62% of the time, won 55% of the games, and broke and ran 23% of the games.

 

[MitchDAZB]

Thank you for the stats.

Today (Saturday), how many times did SVB fail to pocket the wing ball on the break? Was it twice in two matches, or more?

Thanks again.

 

[AtLarge]

Thank you for the stats.

Today (Saturday), how many times did SVB fail to pocket the wing ball on the break? Was it twice in two matches, or more?

Thanks again.

As I saw it, Shane broke 23 times today in the two matches and made the wing ball every single time. However, on two of those breaks (one in each match), he also scratched. So credit him with 21 out of 23 successful breaks, including the wing ball every time.

 

[vincentwu817]

As I saw it, Shane broke 23 times today in the two matches and made the wing ball every single time. However, on two of those breaks (one in each match), he also scratched. So credit him with 21 out of 23 successful breaks, including the wing ball every time.

Thanks for the stats. Pocketing the wing ball everytime out of 23 breaks is crazy, he must be doing something different

 

[CJ Wiley]

AWESOME information, thanks

I watched all 37 of the 2012 U.S. Open 9-ball matches streamed by Accu-Stats; they started Sunday, 10/21/12 and ended Saturday 10/27/12.

The conditions for this event included: 9-foot Diamond Pro-Am table, Simonis cloth, Delta-13 rack, winner breaks, breaker racks for himself, 2-ball must be racked at the back of the rack, break from the box, a 9-ball made on the break spots up if it went in either of the two foot-rail pockets, no soft breaking (at least 3 balls must pass mid-table or be pocketed), cue-ball fouls only, jump cues are allowed, and all slop counts (except as stated for 9-balls on the break).

The 37 streamed matches were as follows:

Day 1 (Sun., Oct. 21) -- Deska def. Bollman 11-10, Reyes. d. McClanahan 11-1, Shaw d. Rimawi 11-10, Robles, d. Bayaua 11-2, and Karabatsos d. Bryant 11-9.

Day 2 (Mon., Oct 22) -- Hjorliefson d. Hernandez 11-6, Bartram d. Burford 11-5, He d. Morris 11-8, Rota d. Ortmann 11-4, Deuel d. Bennett 11-7, and van Den Berg d. Mistica 11-3.

Day 3 (Tues., Oct. 23) -- Daulton d. McNaughton 11-1, Shearer d. Bryant 11-6, Alcaide d. Ko 11-7, Makkonen d. Bedwin 11-2, Ortmann d. Udischas 11-0, and Burford d. Malaj 11-8.

Day 4 (Wed., Oct. 24) -- Strickland d. Saez 11-4, Immonen d. Bustamante 11-8, Reyes d. Hohmann 11-9, Pagulayan d. Sambajon 11-9, Kiamco d. Bustamante 11-10, and Eckert d. Daulton 11-4.

Day 5 (Thurs., Oct. 25) -- Archer d. Shuff 11-2, Reyes d. Appleton 11-10, Van Boening d. van Den Berg 11-4, Orcollo d. Feijen 11-8, Parica d. Strickland 11-5, and See d. Shuff 11-10.

Day 6 (Fri., Oct. 26) -- Appleton d. Strickland 11-8, Reyes d. Orcollo 11-7, Jung Lin Chang d. Shaw 11-9, Van Boening d. Parica 11-5, and Reyes d. Alcano 11-9.

Day 7 (Sat., Oct. 27) -- Van Boening d. Pagulayan 11-5, Orcollo d. Pagulayan 11-7, and Van Boening d. Orcollo 13-7.​

The breaking results were as follows:

Breaker made at least one ball on the break and did not foul:

Day 1 -- 51 of 87 (59%)
Day 2 -- 60 of 99 (61%)
Day 3 -- 42 of 90 (47%)
Day 4 -- 85 of 110 (77%)
Day 5 -- 64 of 105 (61%)
Day 6 -- 52 of 93 (56%)
Day 7 -- 41 of 54 (76%)
7-day total -- 395 of 638 (62%)​

Breaker won the game:

Day 1 -- 45 of 87 (52%)
Day 2 -- 53 of 99 (54%)
Day 3 -- 57 of 90 (63%)
Day 4 -- 72 of 110 (65%)
Day 5 -- 50 of 105 (48%)
Day 6 -- 43 of 93 (45%)
Day 7 -- 34 of 54 (63%)
7-day total -- 354 of 638 (55%)​

Break-and-run games:

Day 1 -- 13 of 87 (15%)
Day 2 -- 16 of 99 (16%)
Day 3 -- 14 of 90 (16%)
Day 4 -- 36 of 110 (33%)
Day 5 -- 24 of 105 (23%)
Day 6 -- 19 of 93 (20%)
Day 7 -- 23 of 54 (43%)
6-day total -- 145 of 638 (23%)​

9-balls on the break:
The 145 B&R games include 4 9-balls on the break (0.6% of the 638 breaks). In addition, 5 9-balls (0.8%) were made that went in the two bottom pockets and had to be spotted rather than counting as wins.

Edits: 10/23: updated with the results of Day 2
10/24: updated with the results of Day 3
10/25: updated with the results of Day 4
10/26: updated with the results of Day 5
10/27 AM: updated with the results of Day 6
10/27 PM: updated with the results of Day 7

This is AWESOME information, thanks for putting forth the effort.

 

[AtLarge]

This is AWESOME information, thanks for putting forth the effort.

Thanks, CJ. Similar information from other events over the past couple of years can be found by looking up some of my past threads.

 

[AtLarge]

(Delayed additional information)

What were the numbers for pushes at the 2012 U.S. Open 9-Ball event? Conventional wisdom is that the player who pushes out is at a disadvantage, because it is the other player who then has the choice on whether to shoot.

Out of the 638 games in 37 streamed matches, 70 games (11%) involved a push out, and the results were as follows:

• Breaker pushed and won the game -- 24
• Breaker pushed and lost the game -- 19
• Non-breaker pushed and won the game -- 10
• Non-breaker pushed and lost the game -- 17

So, overall, the person who pushed won 34 of the 70 games (49%) and lost 36 (51%). Breakers who pushed won a few more games than they lost, and non-breakers lost quite a few more than they won. But the numbers are small here, so generalizations should not be made from them.

Of the 70 pushes, 26 were returned (passed back to the pusher to shoot), and the pusher won 14 of those 26 games.