Break Stats -- 2015 U.S. Open 9-Ball, Oct. 2015
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I am curious - I molded my break to be similar to the efren and earl breaks from the color of money match. Break hard and stop the cueball dead. It seems that a lot of players these days are going off a rail and then back out.
Is there a reason for this? It just seems like an unneeded risk to me. I know that some breakers used to try and hit the rail and run back through the pack for a chance at knocking the 9 in.
I expect there is a reason as they are pros and have put a lot of thought into how they break. Just not sure what it is.
I'm interested in break stats comparing the accu-rack and the magic rack. Is there anything in the archives where the magic rack was used with nine on the spot that you can compare with these statistics?
One of the benefits of the accu-rack was the wing ball was not always wired like it was with the magic rack. Can the results verify this? (Or maybe have to wait for a tournament with accu-rack and 1- ball on the spot?)
AtLarge, Thanks again for the statistics as I have a huge amount of respect for the work and dedication you have in order to compile these.
One of the benefits of the accu-rack was the wing ball was not always wired like it was with the magic rack. Can the results verify this? (Or maybe have to wait for a tournament with accu-rack and 1- ball on the spot?)
AtLarge, Thanks again for the statistics as I have a huge amount of respect for the work and dedication you have in order to compile these.
I understood this to be from the nine ball being on the spot, So in order to make the guaranteed ball on the break, the break shot must be a slight cut on the one ball, which sends cue to rail and back out.
When 1-ball was on the spot, break from the rail, a solid hit on the 1- ball could make the wing ball, and allow cue to squat center table.
This is just my understanding and more experienced players here could correct me. But that's my understanding of the two differences in the breaks.
Most of my life I broke like you....always trying to hit the 1-ball dead on with no spin.
My first experience otherwise was with a Sardo about 15 years ago....I had a man who
was just supporting the tournament first round so I had the liberty of experimenting.
I hit the head ball as hard as I could from different places in the box for about 6 racks.
.....two of those breaks. Drove the 9-ball two lengths of the table...
.......and I did not make ANY balls on the break!!!!!!
So I gave up and went to the cut break....and started dropping balls.
....it works, I don't know why....whether the 9 or 1 is racked on the head spot.
Where, and how much cut depends on conditions, especially pool hall conditions...
....but you just keep changing things till you find it.
First time I saw on AZ the cut break to make the 9-ball mentioned....
....I was told there was a guy in the 60s that would take 5 tries as a prop bet....
....and would get the cash.....hopefully, someone here can comment on this...I never saw
him and can't remember the name.
Thanks man, I am going to work on my break a bit. I am pretty good at sinking at least one ball and cueball in the middle of the table but would like to be able to control where the 1 ball goes as well.
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Unfortunately, I don't think I have any stats based on these same breaking rules but using the Magic Rack instead of the Accu-Rack.
Who would have imagined that Alex would post the lowest TPA of anyone this year.
But it's a good thing they didn't keep track of the TPA's for the E. Dominguez d. So Shaw match. Those TPA's would have been real low.
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Miscellany from the data for the 2015 U. S. Open 9-Ball Championship
[This relates only to the 33 streamed matches, not to all matches in the event.]
• The most balls made on a single break was 4, done just once -- Karl Boyes. He won that game, but not by B&R.
• The average number of balls made on the break was 0.9 (this includes illegal, dry, and fouled breaks). When the breaker stayed at the table after the break, the average was 1.4.
• 45% (258 of 572) of the games ended in one inning – 23% (131) won by the breaker (B&R) and 22% (127) won by the non-breaker. 12% (71 of 572) of the games lasted more than 3 innings.
• 36% (204 of 572) of the games were run out by the player who was at the table following the break. These run-outs were:
• The player who made the first ball after the break:
• For the 32 races to 11, the loser won an average of 6.6 games. Three matches went to hill/hill; none were shutouts.
• The longest match in elapsed time, at 142 minutes, was Davis d. I. Majid. The shortest match in elapsed time, at 60 minutes, was Orcollo d. Pham. The elapsed time was measured from the lag until the winning ball was made (or conceded), so it includes time for racking and timeouts.
• The average elapsed time for the 32 races to 11 was 108 minutes, averaging 6.1 minutes per game.
• The match highest in average minutes per game, at 8.3, was Mazon d. Shuff. Three matches tied for lowest in average minutes per game, at 4.8 -- Ekonomopoulos d. Mills, Shaw d. Biado, and Morris d. Felicilda.
• Breaking fouls averaged about 1 for every 14 games, other fouls 1 for every 4 games, and missed shots 1 for every 2 games.
• About 42% of the games involved one or more safeties.
[This relates only to the 33 streamed matches, not to all matches in the event.]
• The most balls made on a single break was 4, done just once -- Karl Boyes. He won that game, but not by B&R.
• The average number of balls made on the break was 0.9 (this includes illegal, dry, and fouled breaks). When the breaker stayed at the table after the break, the average was 1.4.
• 45% (258 of 572) of the games ended in one inning – 23% (131) won by the breaker (B&R) and 22% (127) won by the non-breaker. 12% (71 of 572) of the games lasted more than 3 innings.
• 36% (204 of 572) of the games were run out by the player who was at the table following the break. These run-outs were:
By the breaker after successful breaks (B&R games) – 37% (131 of 353)
By the non-breaker after illegal breaks -- 18% (2 of 11)
By the non-breaker after fouls on the break – 61% (25 of 41)
By the non-breaker after dry breaks – 28% (46 of 167)
• The player who made the first ball after the break:
- Won the game in that same inning 59% of the time (338 of 570)
- Won the game in a later inning 16% of the time (89 of 570)
- Lost the game 25% of the time (143 of 570)
• For the 32 races to 11, the loser won an average of 6.6 games. Three matches went to hill/hill; none were shutouts.
• The longest match in elapsed time, at 142 minutes, was Davis d. I. Majid. The shortest match in elapsed time, at 60 minutes, was Orcollo d. Pham. The elapsed time was measured from the lag until the winning ball was made (or conceded), so it includes time for racking and timeouts.
• The average elapsed time for the 32 races to 11 was 108 minutes, averaging 6.1 minutes per game.
• The match highest in average minutes per game, at 8.3, was Mazon d. Shuff. Three matches tied for lowest in average minutes per game, at 4.8 -- Ekonomopoulos d. Mills, Shaw d. Biado, and Morris d. Felicilda.
• Breaking fouls averaged about 1 for every 14 games, other fouls 1 for every 4 games, and missed shots 1 for every 2 games.
• About 42% of the games involved one or more safeties.
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AtLarge You are a champ again!! The stats are very much appreciated... Did you happen to do minutes per game last year as well?
One of the main comments we heard from the fans and refs was that the Accu-Racks seemed to be helping with the pace of play. No racking wars or re-racking multiple times..
The event went off as a success for us so you will be seeing us again next year... We are working on being involved in more tournaments this year... Next event on the schedule will be the Accu-Stats 10-Ball "Make it Happen" Invitational in December........
Thanks, Chris. Yes, I kept track of match lengths last year as well (although I did not post the results last year). Unfortunately, the stats do not lend any support to the impression of a quicker pace of play this year.
33 matches were streamed last year as well as this year.
Average minutes per game (includes all 33 matches):
2014 -- 5.4
2015 -- 6.1
Average elapsed time per match for the 32 races to 11 (i.e., omits finals, a race to 13)
2014 -- 98 min. (averaging 17.9 games per match)
2015 -- 108 min. (averaging 17.6 games per match)
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AWESOME thanks!!! Even if the stats didn't show it being faster we didn't slow it down much like several people were afraid we would..
If the number of streamed matches was real large, we might expect the mix of slow, medium, and fast players to be about the same both years. But 33 matches each year may not be enough for that. I looked over the lists of streamed matches for last year and this year, and it may just be that last year had a higher proportion of quick players on stream; the difference in average minutes per game might have little to do with the difference in racks.