Bring Back Hustling Culture

We have card rooms where people can go play poker, it would be cool if there was something similar for pool. "There's the $5 table, there's the $10 table, there's the no limit table." If they had a bad beat jackpot I could really make some money.


Think at certain point the size of my at stake becomes a distraction.

Local Indian Casino give Veterans (2) $10.00 free play a month.

One between 1st. - 7th., and other between 15th. - 22nd.

If I recall I go by, and use Free Play $5.00 of my money.

At point I am in Black, I go home. Penny Slots at 30 - 50 Cents a spin are my comfort zone.
 
You obviously dont understand hustling. Hustling isnt just about gambling. Hustling is hiding your true ability, and winning just barely enough so your opponent wants to play again and again.

Earl Strickland never tried to hide his ability (that im aware of), so he wasnt a hustler. He would just kick your ass as hard as he could.
Yes, hustling is about deceit. I brought up poker but I think that's more about concealment that actively deceiving.
 
You obviously dont understand hustling. Hustling isnt just about gambling. Hustling is hiding your true ability, and winning just barely enough so your opponent wants to play again and again.

Earl Strickland never tried to hide his ability (that im aware of), so he wasnt a hustler. He would just kick your ass as hard as he could.
I'd love to see a Tournament of Hustlers (from 1980-2010)😂 Decked out in their black Hustlin shirts.😂
 
You obviously dont understand hustling. Hustling isnt just about gambling. Hustling is hiding your true ability, and winning just barely enough so your opponent wants to play again and again.

Earl Strickland never tried to hide his ability (that im aware of), so he wasnt a hustler. He would just kick your ass as hard as he could.
Probably why he put hustling in quotations
 
I've only recently gotten serious about pool, and my experiences playing against anyone who will play me suggest to me that there's a real need for a niche between league play, tournaments, and casual games.
It seems like "hustling" is at the center of a lot of the romance and mystique of the game of pool. "Hustling" is not really the right word for what I'm talking about - Earl Strickland claimed that he wasn't a hustler, despite winning a lot of money on staked games - so by "hustling" I just mean wagering money on one's own skill.
The most famous pool movies are all about hustling, aren't they? The story of Earl Strickland from the Sky Sports documentary about his life is much more interesting than the stories of players who played a lot in grandpa's basement, joined a league, and then moved on to tournaments.
Tournaments, leagues, and casual play are all cool, but tournaments tend to be stuffy, leagues can sometimes be a bit cliquish, and casual players can sometimes be really annoying.
I go to some billiards halls here in Minnesota, and if anyone is placing stakes on games, it's extremely low-key, because I haven't seen it happen at all. Bar players will sometimes put some money down at bars, but not much, and I haven't found any bar where there's a culture of "betting" on games.
I think it would be really cool to see a table with a bunch of money on it, and a one-on-one game with more riding on the outcome than ego alone. As a novice player, I'd throw down a fiver here and there just for the opportunity to play someone who has dedicated himself or herself to mastering the game, and it would be thrilling if I actually won every once in awhile (which does happen sometimes - LOL). Playing anyone serious at a bar table typically costs at least $10/hour anyway, and hiring a coach is expensive as well - it's probably more expensive to be trained than by a coach than to be schooled by a hustler, if you keep the stakes low.
I think the decline of American talent in billiards is directly related to the decline of hustling culture in the USA - the incentive to master the game isn't what it once was, because being great at pool is no longer a ticket to a reasonably lucrative payday. Meanwhile, the Philippines has produced great players who came out of the hustling culture of that country, and I don't think that's a coincidence.
For a billiards hall to do it right, there would have to be clear, strict house rules for etiquette and the rules of the game, someone available to referee, and someone who could act as a bouncer, if needed. In some areas, there would need to be lobbying to change the laws to allow "betting" on pool. It would also be good to have certain "money" pool tables where seating is available nearby for interested onlookers to spectate - I think there are tons of people who would be interested in having a drink or a meal and watching top-level "hustlers" compete in money games.
While I personally dislike gambling, except for "betting" on oneself, the popularity of pool with the general public would likely skyrocket if spectators were also allowed to bet on games.
If there was a culture of hustling at pool halls, it would make playing for stakes much safer for all involved. A setup like the one I'm suggesting would likely evolve into great players playing against one another, but road players would show up sometimes, and every once in awhile some average player would get the courage to jump in for a game or two, and most likely lose, but maybe win (everybody gets lucky sometimes).
I think there are a lot of players who would at least put down five or ten bucks on a game, if the rules were clear and security was available - a quick glance at the cues being used at any billiards hall tells me that a lot of people are willing to spend a lot of money on upping their game. I've played quite a few excellent players who told me that the reason they don't "bet" on games is because they don't want to be involved in violent confrontations with hot-headed losers. I'd be willing to bet that if you eliminated the threat of violence or being robbed, and provided a referee to obviate arguments, you'd attract a lot of great players to money games, and then a culture of "hustling" would evolve that would increase the popularity of billiards halls and promote billiards in general.
Moral objections to "pool hustling" seem silly to me. If someone wants to put money down against me, I'd be an idiot to think that they're not trying to win money from me. Cheating is different, of course, and everyone should oppose cheating, but the art of the hustle is fair enough - if you think you have someone pegged as an inferior player, and you put money on that, then you're trying to hustle that person, and it's hustler vs. hustler, which is fair and square. If you're such a gullible rube that you honestly think a guy who is playing poorly suddenly wants to bet $100 out of sheer stupidity, you could probably use a reality check anyway, and it's not like you're being an angel yourself, if you're happy to skin someone who you think is stupid or drunk in the belief that you have a big advantage over him.
I'd also love to see more youth leagues, non-alcoholic leagues, family-friendly places to play pool, etc., but it's not a zero-sum game, and I think the soul of pool in America could be revitalized if a culture of "hustling" made a comeback in the USA.
Almost all current pool tournaments are basically stakes games anyway, and gambling is common in most areas of the country. Is it better for people to mindlessly open pull-tabs, fill out BINGO cards, push buttons on slot machines, or scratch off lottery tickets? Betting on pool is much more interesting on almost every level. Heck, betting on pool is even more environmentally-friendly than most other forms of gambling.
On technical issues, I would probably set up any betting system in a way that gives the state a bite in the form of sales taxes, donations to government organizations like first responders, or whatever. Otherwise I think there's a risk that Big Brother could get pissed off about small businesses competing with their gambling rackets (especially the state lottery), since the government likes to fleece citizens as much as they can get away with, and the house always wins. One clever move might be to convert 5% of overall winnings into lottery tickets when people cash out.
Willie Mosconi is great and all, but many of us would rather watch the ghost of Minnesota Fats practice the art of hustling than watch the ghost of Willie Mosconi silently clear racks in straight pool like a "true gentleman." Besides, Willie would probably never play any of us mere mortals, except maybe if we put some money on the table.
Good grief, man! You're four posts in and you already are a nominee for longest post in AZB history. No way I'm reading all that drivel but I will say, "hustling" has no place in pool and one of the reasons pool has suffered a poor image for decades. I'm all for money matches and gambling but "hustling" is scumbag stuff.
 
Good grief, man! You're four posts in and you already are a nominee for longest post in AZB history. No way I'm reading all that drivel but I will say, "hustling" has no place in pool and one of the reasons pool has suffered a poor image for decades. I'm all for money matches and gambling but "hustling" is scumbag stuff.
What is your definition of hustling?
 
Hustlin' is cultcha in any metropolis. Caveat Emptor applies anywhere money changes hands. Means any industry for that matter...
 
What is your definition of hustling?
Typically, it involves hiding your skill, making what appear to be lucky shots/rolls, missing enough to keep the other person thinking they can win, even letting them win a couple, having a friend bet against you with non-players and you dumping the game, etc. I guess a more benign level would just be appearing to be a chump and an easy mark. I'd say hustling starts a bit beyond how you present as a person and goes into cheating.

I think rexus has a good point, playing for money is good but hustling is not.

Kid Delicious had a schtick where he would go to a student union pool room, make himself look like a dorky slob with a fat wad and win a lot off college kids.
 
I don't consider the definition limited to larcenous deception. Hustlin' can simply mean getting your ass in gear.


Well my was greedy people are on both side of a hustle or con game.

Paper Moon, Flim Flam Man, and the Sting are good examples.

Hustle like in GOYA , is another example Get Off Your A**🙃
 
Well my was greedy people are on both side of a hustle or con game.

Paper Moon, Flim Flam Man, and the Sting are good examples.

Hustle like in GOYA , is another example Get Off Your A**🙃
Look at the big institutions. They got it down to a notice in the mail that says "Pay This Amount."
 
What you wrote is a good read, people in the old day use to gamble on pool, gamble with bookie, or go to race track.

Think what has killed off a lot of this gambling is Indian Casino’s, and on line betting.

Know almost every night on TV I see ads for the Online Gaming joints.

Pool hustling is gone the way of many thing, because the World is changing.

People use to go to Las Vegas, Reno, Lake Tahoe, and other place in NV to gamble legally.

Now the option are more, and closer to home.

cost of living on the road and cell phones killed hustling
 
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