Brunswick Ashbee 9ft Pocket Size Problem

rjtcobra

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I am new to this forum, and the proud owner of a new Brunswick Ashbee 9 foot table. My choice behind this table was that it is in the main floor of the house and wanted it to look like furniture as well.


I am a decent player, but no pro by any means. I am 34 and have been playing pool (8 & 9 ball) for the past 20 years and grew up on a 7' bar box that I bought at 13 with my paper route money. I was the youngest kid in the neighborhood with his own table!

Anyhow, I am very happy to have finally been able to get my own 9 footer.

I must say, its a beautiful table, but I think I may have a problem with the pockets. I unfortunately didn't do a lot of research on pocket size, shelf, etc. before buying for two reasons. One, I thought all tables followed a pretty specific standard, which after doing extensive research on this website, they do not. Second, I always wanted a Brunswick, sort of under the perhaps false auspices of it being one of the best.

The other unfortunate issue is that my installer, a brunswick dealer, did not ask me for any specific pocket sizes, etc. before installing.

Anyhow, here are my corner pocket dimensions as it is set up now, which I assume are factory specs, with Centennial cloth:

5 1/8 mouth, 4 1/4 throat (at the end of the cloth where it meets the wood), and a 1 1/2 inch shelf.

The table definitely plays easier than my neighbor's Olhausen 8 footer, which appears to have 4 7/8 pockets with a deeper shelf.

So, with all of this being said, I am wondering what my options are. I don't necesarily want pro spec pockets, but definitely something a little tougher. I was thinking of getting longer rails installed and having the pocket with come in at 4 7/8 with a 4 inch throat.

Unortunately, this would shrink the shelf to 1 3/8. That may make it too short and negate any gain?

Also, can a mechanic buy just enough centennial cloth to do the rails only and uncut brunswick rails or will I be stuck with the full table cloth?

Lastly, who would you recommend I talk to locally in central New Jersey that is a great mechanic to handle such a job (possibly extend the shelf too????)
I am interested in hearing what everyone thinks. I attached a pic of the current pocket.

Thanks Everyone! (btw I'll do another thread on a Centennial five ball defect I found to see what everyone thinks)

Ryan
 

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I am new to this forum, and the proud owner of a new Brunswick Ashbee 9 foot table. My choice behind this table was that it is in the main floor of the house and wanted it to look like furniture as well.


I am a decent player, but no pro by any means. I am 34 and have been playing pool (8 & 9 ball) for the past 20 years and grew up on a 7' bar box that I bought at 13 with my paper route money. I was the youngest kid in the neighborhood with his own table!

Anyhow, I am very happy to have finally been able to get my own 9 footer.

I must say, its a beautiful table, but I think I may have a problem with the pockets. I unfortunately didn't do a lot of research on pocket size, shelf, etc. before buying for two reasons. One, I thought all tables followed a pretty specific standard, which after doing extensive research on this website, they do not. Second, I always wanted a Brunswick, sort of under the perhaps false auspices of it being one of the best.

The other unfortunate issue is that my installer, a brunswick dealer, did not ask me for any specific pocket sizes, etc. before installing.

Anyhow, here are my corner pocket dimensions as it is set up now, which I assume are factory specs, with Centennial cloth:

5 1/8 mouth, 4 1/4 throat (at the end of the cloth where it meets the wood), and a 1 1/2 inch shelf.

The table definitely plays easier than my neighbor's Olhausen 8 footer, which appears to have 4 7/8 pockets with a deeper shelf.

So, with all of this being said, I am wondering what my options are. I don't necesarily want pro spec pockets, but definitely something a little tougher. I was thinking of getting longer rails installed and having the pocket with come in at 4 7/8 with a 4 inch throat.

Unortunately, this would shrink the shelf to 1 3/8. That may make it too short and negate any gain?

Also, can a mechanic buy just enough centennial cloth to do the rails only and uncut brunswick rails or will I be stuck with the full table cloth?

Lastly, who would you recommend I talk to locally in central New Jersey that is a great mechanic to handle such a job (possibly extend the shelf too????)
I am interested in hearing what everyone thinks. I attached a pic of the current pocket.

Thanks Everyone! (btw I'll do another thread on a Centennial five ball defect I found to see what everyone thinks)

Ryan
Ryan,
Call me...
 
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The other unfortunate issue is that my installer, a brunswick dealer, did not ask me for any specific pocket sizes, etc. before installing.

Home tables don't have a pocket size option so why would they unless you asked up front.
At best you got a choice of cloth color.

Contact Pat - he'll get you fixed up the right way.
 
Spoke to Pat last night, he agrees that a slighlty tighter pocket, i.e. 4 7/8 corner, 5 3/8 side would be better, via longer rails. The only problem with this, and my concern, is that it will shorten the shelf from 1 1/2 to about 1 3/8" due to the points being moved in about 1/8 of an inch inward.

The current degree setup has a 5 1/8 mouth, but only a 4 1/4 throat, so that helps with the shelf shortness. If I keep that the same, it should help.

Does anyone know if the Gold Crowns have te same shelf depth, i.e. same slate and radius in either standard or Tournament setup as their standard 9 foot home furniture tables?

If so, those tables would have the same shelf depth issue...

I am interested to hear from Real King Cobra on this issue too.

Thanks,
Ryan
 
table

i wouldn't do a pocket shelf extension for no one...for the price i would charge it wouldn't make scene..
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its all about the kick and cut angle of the rail to determine the shelf..
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i will touch on this a little later in a short video im trying to get time to shoot
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Rob.M
 
Why are you worrired about the shelf anyways?

It seems that several people on here are worrying about the shelf as if were going to change the game to an extreme. It is true that an older Diamond 3pc has a shelf so deep you can just about hide a ball inside the pocket from certain angles of attack. However for a bucket pocket table, it might even play a little better with tighter pockets and 141degree facings because it takes some shelf out.

Once the ball is within the pocket facings it should drop. A longer shelf just means you are a little more prone to catching a 3 facing rattle on an off center shot. The most frustration I have ever had in pool is playing on bucket pockets with deep shelves. I get lazy and then the balls just seem to come firing back out.

Tight pockets teach a lot of things to players, not the least important lesson is that by slowing down your stroke you can gain accuracy and positional improvement at the same time.

Rob
 
ok, crazy idea here -

Knowing I just want to tighten up my pockets each by 1/4 inch to 4 7/8 corner and 5 3/8 side, without changing pocket angle or shelf depth,

How about getting a custom set of rails made, wood included, 1/8 inch longer in each pocket, using Diamond Black cushions k55 with each rail wood approximately 1/8 inch thicker as well? this would retain the exact pocket shelf depth, tighten the pocket and only loose 1/8 inch playing surface on all sides....

I am starting to think I am loosing my mind......
 
ok, crazy idea here -

Knowing I just want to tighten up my pockets each by 1/4 inch to 4 7/8 corner and 5 3/8 side, without changing pocket angle or shelf depth,

How about getting a custom set of rails made, wood included, 1/8 inch longer in each pocket, using Diamond Black cushions k55 with each rail wood approximately 1/8 inch thicker as well? this would retain the exact pocket shelf depth, tighten the pocket and only loose 1/8 inch playing surface on all sides....

I am starting to think I am loosing my mind......

If you change the size of the playing surface 1/8 on all sides, you no longer have 1:2 ratio. My advice, don't touch the table, just enjoy it, I'm sure you have quite a bit of money already invested. At most I would install some of the thicker neoprene facings that diamond offers. Probably will tighten the pockets 1/4 inch total and cost very little.

Ian
 
change facings

xianmacy is right on target change pocket facing . use the thicker facing.
cost would be very little, and do very well what you want. if you start
replaceing sub rails cushions recover , you will spend about as much
to buy a table . table looks good tighten pockets with facings .
just play and have fun . hope this helps . john107: anderson sc
 
xianmacy is right on target change pocket facing . use the thicker facing.
cost would be very little, and do very well what you want. if you start
replaceing sub rails cushions recover , you will spend about as much
to buy a table . table looks good tighten pockets with facings .
just play and have fun . hope this helps . john107: anderson sc

What are the chances that there will be enough cloth to fit around the added facings without having to re-cloth the entire rail? Or do you have to pull the rails off the slate to see if you will have enough cloth to work with?
Thanks.
Speedi
 
What are the chances that there will be enough cloth to fit around the added facings without having to re-cloth the entire rail? Or do you have to pull the rails off the slate to see if you will have enough cloth to work with?
Thanks.
Speedi

You'll need a new rail cloth set and have to remove the rails to do the work.
 
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