Brunswick or Rosatto Barry 4.5 X 9

Burtus

Burtus

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We bought a pool table this week. It is a 4.5 x 9 and we are not sure if it is a Rosatto-Barry or a Brunswick or a Rosatto-Barry relabled Brunswick as they used to do. We got it for $1500.00 and were looking for some insight on how we did for price and if I need any special tools for disassembly. We will have it Restored and installed on the second floor of a 3 car garage that will be finished in 4 to 6 months. I have attached pictures for your review. We were hoping for some of realkingcobra's excellent advice and thoughts on value.

Thanks
Burt
 

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If I am not mistaken most Brunswicks had a 5 digit serial number stamped on the bottom of the rails as well as most of the other structural parts. You may be able to contact Brunswick with that number and findout more information. There was also in some cases decal located on the frame or cabinet listing the manufactures name patent numbers.
 
It looks like a Brunswick table some dealers popped out the name plate and put thier own in its place. Most numbers stamped on the table are lot bnuild numbers and not serial #'s I believe 4 digit are 1800's to about 1910 5 digit are 1910 and newer. Brunswick had a fire or flood years ago and lost alot of thier records you might try Blattbilliards.com they have one of the largest collections of brunswick pooltables around and probably one of best for rebuilding antique tables. Send them some pictures they can tell you more.

Craig
 
Could be a brunswick ,but would not effect its value that much. In our
opinion you paid a fair price. While a nice constructed table it is a
"plain jane" as far as antiques go. totally restored square leg antiques
typically go for 5-6 thou. in our region. as far as diassembling the table
the most important tool to have is a antique rail wrench. behind those little brass caps are the rail bolts. it is a round bolt w/two holes in which the tool fits. tool normally works with a antique brace. the rest of the
hardware is normally square drive fasteners. We would definitely recommend considering hiring a professional for the reassemble process.
good luck!
 
Burtus said:
We bought a pool table this week. It is a 4.5 x 9 and we are not sure if it is a Rosatto-Barry or a Brunswick or a Rosatto-Barry relabled Brunswick as they used to do. We got it for $1500.00 and were looking for some insight on how we did for price and if I need any special tools for disassembly. We will have it Restored and installed on the second floor of a 3 car garage that will be finished in 4 to 6 months. I have attached pictures for your review. We were hoping for some of realkingcobra's excellent advice and thoughts on value.

Thanks
Burt
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You're going to have to leave me out of this one...LOL, I've worked on plenty of antique tables in my time, but pricing them is way out of my area of expertice...sorry:eek: as I'm a billiards technician, not an antique expert...LOL

Glen
 
Antique table

We have this same table at one of the private clubs that I belong to. We play league pool on the table. It has the identical nameplate on the top rail. I believe that the table is a Brunswick but can't say 100% sure. I sure hope that your rails and slate are different and better than our table. Our table has the slate bed rounded off or chamfered at the pocket openings making it way to easy to make balls. In addition if you hit a ball to slow down the rail passing the side pocket it just might drop in. I hope that our table was altered along time ago to make pocketing balls easier for the club ball bangers. I will try to get some pictures and post here when I can.
 
Burtus said:
Many thanks with a follow up on the table dissaembly. Can I use an adjustable spanner wrench also known as a pin wrench on the round rail bolts with the two holes. And if so what size diameter are the holes.
http://www.toolsource.com/variable-spanner-wrench-pi-100740.html
Thanks
Burt
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You could use that tool, but the tool that they make specifically for the Brunswick rail bolts would most likely be cheaper and work better. The pin holes in the rail bolts are about 3/16". They look to have originally been a little bigger than that but after almost 100 years and every butcher in the world with whatever tool he has at hand mine are a little beat up and hard to measure accurately.
 
Rosatto Barry or Brunswick?

I have a table that I lost some hadrware in moving.
After months of searching I found out a few things.
1 The rail bolts on a Brunswick table have a thread of 3/8 by 14
The rosatto Barry has a thread of 3/8 bo 16[/B
2 The irons for the drop pockets fit in a chanle on a Brunswick
They sit on top of the rail on a rosatto Barry wich won't matter in this case
because of the rail system
My table is a Rosatto Barry from around 1900


Good Luck

Bob
 
successful disassembly

Thanks for all the help with your inputs. I found that the tool used to remove the locking "nut" on a Makita 4" electric grinding tool fit and worked perfectly for removing the rail bolts. The slates were in great condition as was all of the wood for its age. The slates had brass or bronze dowels for alignment. All pieces to the table had 1874 stamped on it. The color of the paint on the interior of the frame is a light grey/green. There were no patent stickers anywhere. The legs were also stamped with 1874 on the top where it meets the bottom of the table. The ball pocket irons did fit into a channel down through the top of the rails. The ball return troughs were in amazing shape when taking into account how fragile they are. The ball return box also looked to be original as the bolts that held it to the table were bolts that went into blind nuts (the bolts were inside the wooden sides to the ball box). The rails and frame corners look to be what needs work. The person who installed the cushions onto rails did not do a good job. The table ends to the frame are loose in the corner joints. I have attached a picture of the rail bolt tool I used and one of the table with the lid (slates) off. I live in Philadelphia and I?m looking for a reputable person to restore the table. I have already visited and talked with Ken from Classic Billiards who is in MD. Outstanding work and a great person to talk to as well as a wealth of information. Sadly he is too busy working on tables that he has and sells outright to work on my table. So, if anyone knows of someone in the Philadelphia area please send me their info. Thanks again for all of your help.
 

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