Bubble Boy

[Fore Rail]

as long as everyone's talking golf here, I have a question. I don't play golf...but a LOT of poolplayers that do play have told me that the golf stroke is a lot like pool stroke? What are they talking about?

Jumping up on your pool stroke will yield the same results as peaking early while putting.

Tempo & where to deliver the speed in the stroke is the only other similarity I really see.

 

[BRKNRUN]

brknrun explain how difficult it is then.i am curious b/c i have three very good friends who are club pros and i know how they did it.it is not hard.

Never said it was difficult, I just said you have no idea.......and I was a club pro so I no exactly how its done...(without hearsay)

 

[Timberly]

as long as everyone's talking golf here, I have a question. I don't play golf...but a LOT of poolplayers that do play have told me that the golf stroke is a lot like pool stroke? What are they talking about?

In both games you keep your head down, your eye on the ball, and you follow through. Anything other than that??? I couldn't tell ya!

 

[Celtic]

Thanks for the golf tips guys.

 

[BRKNRUN]

Thanks for the help guys. It is mostly the driver, although I can slice the fairway wood once in a while and even the occasional long iron from the tee (although I dont slice those often). I have a KZG driver I got made from a custom club maker, he measured my swing speed at just a hair under 100 so the flex should be correct. I am pretty sure the problem is that closing the club face and rotating the forearms that you guys mention. When you say "rotate the forearms" you mean such that the back of my right hand is then facing towards the sky at the end of the swing? I will give that a shot, I am pretty bloody consistent on hitting inept slices that would make most baseball pitchers jealous.

The problem is.....everyone is assuming that your grip / stance / posture and alingment is correct.....I have a huch they are not.

I would recommend having that checked first...Get that checked before you do anything.......JMO

and forget about the shaft being to soft crap....A soft shaft is much more forgiving than a stiff shaft and easier to get the ball UP...If your swing speed is only 100 MPH....You don't need a stiff shaft at all.

Reading through some of these posts, I think I understand where Mark Tadd is coming from now......

 

[Timberly]

forget about the shaft being to soft crap....A soft shaft is much more forgiving than a stiff shaft and easier to get the ball UP

I beg to differ.... Oh, you're talking golf!!!

 

[DaveK]

The problem is.....everyone is assuming that your grip / stance / posture and alingment is correct.....I have a huch they are not.

I would recommend having that checked first...Get that checked before you do anything.......JMO

and forget about the shaft being to soft crap....A soft shaft is much more forgiving than a stiff shaft and easier to get the ball UP...If your swing speed is only 100 MPH....You don't need a stiff shaft at all.

Reading through some of these posts, I think I understand where Mark Tadd is coming from now......

I mentioned the grip, and even made a suggestion for an experiment. As far as an incorrect shaft flex affecting the release, I stand by what I said.

Dave

 

[JLW]

Give it up Joe.

You'll never get any sort of agreement from DM. Because the bottom line is that none of these threads ultimately have anything to do with aim, or even pool. For DM, it's never about the game. It's about his ego and his need to tell everyone on this forum how they must play and what they are allowed to think. He's the perfect example of what happens to bullies when they get older. You are not allowed to disagree with him, and you are not allowed to question anything he says. So if he wants playing by feel to be a "system," then by God it's a f&*king system. There will be no discussion.

Isn't it funny though........ When someone like Mark Tadd or Keith McCready shows up, where does his ego go? Why doesn't he speak up? They are both feel players, and yet you don't see him calling them morons or questioning what they mean by "feel", do you? You also don't see him challenging them to $1000 money games either. Because he knows better. Every bully recognizes when there's someone he can't pick on.

Be a man Drivermaker, challenge one of these guys to a game. Prove that your aiming method is better than theirs. Call them out for being stupid enough to believe that you can aim by "feel." Go on. I double dog dare you.

 

[drivermaker]

You'll never get any sort of agreement from DM. Because the bottom line is that none of these threads ultimately have anything to do with aim, or even pool. For DM, it's never about the game.

Isn't it funny though........ When someone like Mark Tadd or Keith McCready shows up, where does his ego go? Why doesn't he speak up?

Well, look who's here...one of the TOP DOUCHE BAGS on the forum, JLW.
If none of this has to do with aim, why is it that I've been on the phone with a good number of members here TELLING them EXACTLY what to do and how to do it? WTF have YOU done outside of here...OR...on here for that matter? The same as BazookagumchewingJOE...NOTHING. You were the first one on here that I wrote and dedicated a song to...the Santa/Douche Bag Song that EVERYONE thoroughly enjoyed. We all thought it appropriate because you truly are a douche bag. It even shows more by teaming up with a loser like BazookaJoe. It's soooo true...birds of a feather, flock together.

Here's another non-reading idiot on top of it...I've been popping on Mark Tadd since last year and I'm doing it right now again. Wake the hell up, douche bag! Go read all of my responses to him.

 

[Matt_24]

Hey Drivermaker,

I didn't know ANYTHING about golf but my wife bought me a set of golfclubs, some shoes, a glove, balls/tees, and a tee time at Andrews Air Force Base course on my 25th b-day. Pretty nice course considering all of the top generals play there. Anyhow, I took my buddy with me who is a par golfer (is that the correct term? I mean, he literally shot par on every hole..I was amazed, but I had never played before so I know there are guys much better than that) when he visited from North Carolina.

Anyhow, I'm a left handed player and my buddy is a righty but he gave me a crash course at the driving range on how to aim, hit a ball..etc. I just kind of imagined it was a cue ball NOT to take my eye off of it...and try to keep my right arm straight as I come through (using it as a guide). I was hitting every drive pretty straight 200+ yards. He told me it was beginner's luck but I was fortunate. He said most couldn't hit the ball very good (much less straight) the first time they play. I just kept thinking of it like pool and that mindset seemed to work.

To make a long story short we played 18 holes and he shot par. I averaged like 3 or 4 over par. I hit everything pretty much straight. Didn't loose any balls. Just after the drive I was kind of hitting too many shots to get on the green..or not getting my putting just right. On two holes I shot par though. He said I had a phenomenal first day for golf and I probably wouldn't play that good again for a long time once I started learning what I was doing. Unfortunately the clubs have been collecting dust for two years as I've never played again. In the little free time I have I prefer to play pool. Maybe once I retire from the Air Force and my daughter is out of the house I'll play golf and pool.

My point though (and there is one). My buddy and I also played pool which he never does. I gave him a few instructions on the cue ball and to try and just use center ball english. How to line up a shot, find the contact point, etc. He had a one stroke..poke..but he was making tons of shots and ran a rack of nine ball from the break. My question is...in some ways are the games of pool and golf similar enough (at least in mindset and concentration level) that a golfer can become a decent pool player and a good pool player can become a decent golfer easier than say someone who came directly to golf? Probably a stupid question, but I'm curious on a professional golfer's opinion. I've heard that Johnny Archer plays excellent golf and wants to play on the Senior Pro Golf Tour someday.

Thanks.

 

[drivermaker]

Hey Drivermaker,

My point though (and there is one). My buddy and I also played pool which he never does. I gave him a few instructions on the cue ball and to try and just use center ball english. How to line up a shot, find the contact point, etc. He had a one stroke..poke..but he was making tons of shots and ran a rack of nine ball from the break. My question is...in some ways are the games of pool and golf similar enough (at least in mindset and concentration level) that a golfer can become a decent pool player and a good pool player can become a decent golfer easier than say someone who came directly to golf? Probably a stupid question, but I'm curious on a professional golfer's opinion. I've heard that Johnny Archer plays excellent golf and wants to play on the Senior Pro Golf Tour someday.

Thanks.

Honestly, they're two totally dissimilar games. There's nothing in common.
However, it NEVER hurts to have good hand/eye coordination for all games.
You can't be spastic or non-sports oriented and excel in either.

 

[Timberly]

I've heard that Johnny Archer plays excellent golf and wants to play on the Senior Pro Golf Tour someday.

Thanks.

There are quite a few pro pool players that have an excellent golf game. I don't know any pro golfers so I don't know how they fare on the pool table. I've often wondered why such a large number of pool players are able to play golf so well. For yrs these guys have been known to hit the golf course during the day & play the tournaments at night. As stated earlier, keeping your head down, eye on the ball, & following through are the only things that I can think of about golf that could possibly relate to pool.

 

[BRKNRUN]

I mentioned the grip, and even made a suggestion for an experiment. As far as an incorrect shaft flex affecting the release, I stand by what I said.

Dave

Ok......

But FYI.....Most ameatures will have a "strong" grip from the get go...Most don't even know "why" the club is gripped the way it is or what is a strong / neutral / weak grip .......

Before I would tell someone to rotate thier grip...(without ever seeing them hit a shot) I would be more inclined to tell them to check thier feet shoulder and hip alingment....(that they are all going in the same direction)...I would bet that this guy has a "strong grip with a open stance"

Just rotaing the grip "stronger" likely will only hood the club at impact and now your looking at a pull slice....Again, the very "first" thing I would check before making ANY changes is his grip / stance / posture / alingment...not just grip....

Regarding the shaft....I completley understand that a weak shaft can leave a open club face at impact.... I also know that a too stiff shaft can flex / release / and be back on the flex again at impact ....neither are good, but this guy mentioned that he swings at 100mph tops....I am willing to bet that you won't find ANY clubfitter telling this guy to go to a stiffer shaft....especially if he wants any distance or ball height off the tee....JMO

BTW...what the hell am I doing talking about GOLF...I quit that racket....Golf is for sissys.........

 

[cheesemouse]

WOWWW...I never saw a course that long. It sure must be something. Hey, Tiger....when I lived in the Miami area for 12 years before coming here, 20 mile an hour winds with gusts was a calm day. You barely even thought about it, and we played in it EVERDAY without fail.

High handicappers can give two aside to another high handicapper...it's no big deal.

Back from a nice day on the links. I see your dickhead still exists. Somehow I knew you would take straight forward information about the conditions I would be playing and try to put your twisted suto attemtp at humor on it. You don't put a ripple in my pond. I've seen to many of you old bitter blowhards to be bothered. Up here in the Plains we call our winters riffraff weather; it keeps you toothless good old boys down south just where we want you. Up here we know enough to build above the water table.

Whats a handicap???

By the way, there is no need for you to reply although your probably to far gone not too...back to real life and good times...just to keep this related to the orginal post....YOU ARE THE BUBBLE BOY...LOL

 

[JLW]

Well, look who's here...one of the TOP DOUCHE BAGS on the forum, JLW.
If none of this has to do with aim, why is it that I've been on the phone with a good number of members here TELLING them EXACTLY what to do and how to do it? WTF have YOU done outside of here...OR...on here for that matter? The same as BazookagumchewingJOE...NOTHING. You were the first one on here that I wrote and dedicated a song to...the Santa/Douche Bag Song that EVERYONE thoroughly enjoyed. We all thought it appropriate because you truly are a douche bag. It even shows more by teaming up with a loser like BazookaJoe. It's soooo true...birds of a feather, flock together.

Here's another non-reading idiot on top of it...I've been popping on Mark Tadd since last year and I'm doing it right now again. Wake the hell up, douche bag! Go read all of my responses to him.

Talk about a non-reading idiot. What did I say? I said- "It's about his ego and his need to tell everyone on this forum how they must play and what they are allowed to think." Your response is that you are on the phone telling people EXACTLY what to do and how to do it. Duhhhhhh. I'd say you made my point for me. What an idiot. As long as someone lets you tell them what to do, you have no problem with them. It's when they have an opinion different from yours that you can't handle it.

And your lame ass attempts at humor only prove my point about what a loser you are. If you're going to write those dumb ass songs, can you at least try to be mildly amusing or witty? Maybe if you used a song writing "system" you'd have more luck. Maybe I'll write one about you (using no system) just to show you how it should be done.

As far as Mark Tadd and Keith McCready go, I repeat- WHERE'S THE CHALLENGE???

And one other thing. Yes, they say birds of a feather flock together. You seem to be pretty much on your own a lot of the time, so go flock yourself.

 

[DaveK]

Ok......

But FYI.....Most ameatures will have a "strong" grip from the get go...Most don't even know "why" the club is gripped the way it is or what is a strong / neutral / weak grip .......

Before I would tell someone to rotate thier grip...(without ever seeing them hit a shot) I would be more inclined to tell them to check thier feet shoulder and hip alingment....(that they are all going in the same direction)...I would bet that this guy has a "strong grip with a open stance"

Just rotaing the grip "stronger" likely will only hood the club at impact and now your looking at a pull slice....Again, the very "first" thing I would check before making ANY changes is his grip / stance / posture / alingment...not just grip....

Regarding the shaft....I completley understand that a weak shaft can leave a open club face at impact.... I also know that a too stiff shaft can flex / release / and be back on the flex again at impact ....neither are good, but this guy mentioned that he swings at 100mph tops....I am willing to bet that you won't find ANY clubfitter telling this guy to go to a stiffer shaft....especially if he wants any distance or ball height off the tee....JMO

BTW...what the hell am I doing talking about GOLF...I quit that racket....Golf is for sissys.........

I was just suggesting an experiment for him to try, it may provide some additional understanding as to the importance of the grip. Really he should see a pro as I mentioned. And from my experience not all clubfitters do a good job, especially new ones or old club pro's and retail chains who want to jump on the bandwagon.

And I have no idea why you're talking golf either, THIS IS A POOL FORUM.

Dave, who should heed his own advice

 

[mark tadd]

Forum.
say it with me...........FORUM.
I don't care whether or not I was invited.
Are you scared?
Where does the "system" come in to the education?
Efren is a modest man. Is he not?
Don't you think, if he had learned this fabulous "system" from someone, he'd attribute a bit of his success to that person? Ever met him? Because I have, and I think he would. Does he use a system to illustrate how to see a spot on the ball? Yes, I would say that he does. We all must use visualization to get a point across. You're on the pullpit preaching formal training and the absolute need for a system. I say it is not needed. You come across like that crackpot Fast Larry. Or your pal Hal, who jumps on Johnny archer's Q&A to tell the world that Johnny is hiding the fact that he's using Hal's system, so the recreational players don't pose a challenge to him. Tell me. Do you all share the same padded cell?
This talk lately, this fuss, I wonder if there is some marketing going on here? Some build up? If it is as unimportant to Hal not to charge for it, why does he need the notoriety?
Why does he demand Archer tell the world?

Systems disgust me, because the word system is used to make it sound as if it's fool proof. The term "system" has been used for years in books about beating Vegas. Well, a lot of books were sold and Vegas still stands tall. People with systems want you to believe that by learning it, you will automatically get better, that it's the final secret that will turn them pro. Well it won't. It's snake oil y'all. It's been around for a long long time.
This game has been taught in the pool halls for years, folks. Formal instruction came after most of the legends we all look up to. Nothing wrong with instructors, if you can and want to spend the money. But it's possible to get the same results in the pool hall.

Colin-good quote. But standing on the shoulders of giants doesn't necessarily refer to a formal education, and definitely not an aiming system.

ARE YOU READIND MY MIND JOE WOW

 

[mark tadd]

So much has been beaten around on this forum over the last week about aiming, feel in aiming, and feel in every other part of the game. Now it seems like a whole new breed of "FEEL" player/theorists are coming out of the woodword to espouse the benefits of something we can't really describe and apply it to EVERYTHING. THE ENTIRE GAME SHOULD BE FEEL.

OK...where would that take us if we had a "BUBBLE BOY"....an individual that reached his late teens, graduated with good grades in high school, but came down with a a terrible disease of the immunity system and had to be placed in a perfectly controlled bacteria/virus free BUBBLE environment.

Let's assume "Bubble Boy" was slowly going bonkers in there and happened to be watching an ESPN pool match and said that he'd like to have a pool table in his Bubble, which the facility granted especially since his daddy was rich as hell and giving money for their research.

There are some on here that want to teach a mere beginner nothing but making balls through feel and feel alone without cluttering the mind on anything, whether it be aiming, stance, grip, stroke, english, etc.

Now upon receiving his pool table, you would have to admit, that Bubble Boy would be the ULTIMATE feel player on his first day at the table since he has NOTHING to think about because he knows NOTHING.

What do you think would happen to Bubble Boy's development if he NEVER got one book to read, got no tapes to watch, and had NO ONE instruct him on any facet of the game at all? What if his only instruction was to use that blue stuff on the rails and scrape it across the tip of your cue on every shot and that was it!

However, remember that Bubble Boy has 16 hours a day to stay at the table and hit all the balls that he cares to hit. How far do you think "FEEL" alone would take Bubble Boy into a becoming a certain level player without ANY help from the outside in knowledge?

it would seem to make sence to me to use real actual events and realities that are able to happen . meaning i dont think there has been a player that has become a world champion from this senerio. how about a 16 year old boy who played anyone just to get good. read no books and seen no videos.cause there were very little if any avalible, and the only advice he got was play better players starting with me and that will inprove your game. hmm starting to sound like my life story. now i think this is worth reading

 

[drivermaker]

it would seem to make sence to me to use real actual events and realities that are able to happen . meaning i dont think there has been a player that has become a world champion from this senerio.

how about a 16 year old boy who played anyone just to get good. read no books and seen no videos.cause there were very little if any avalible, and the only advice he got was play better players

There actually are certain unfortunate people with auto-immunity problems that have to live life like this in a controlled bubble. Would he ever make it on his own. HELL NO! The thread was set up as a hypothetical scenario to see if this kid COULD develop at all on "FEEL" alone and on his own. It can't be done.

Mark, we ALL started out the way you described. There were NO videos and books and it was from better players that you picked their brains, watched, and they freely gave good advice. You just had more natural talent than most and were blessed in that regard. (although sometimes you gotta wonder if it was really a curse, huh?)

 

[drivermaker]

Talk about a non-reading idiot. What did I say? I said- "It's about his ego and his need to tell everyone on this forum how they must play and what they are allowed to think." Your response is that you are on the phone telling people EXACTLY what to do and how to do it.

As far as Mark Tadd and Keith McCready go, I repeat- WHERE'S THE CHALLENGE???

Hey douche bag...they PM and ask ME for the advice on how to do it. I don't make the calls. If they ask and want to know, I help and give them what they want. Once they know, they can call back for more, or, they can use it and go on their merry way and hopefully make more balls.

In your case YOU KNOW IT ALL. A friggin' loser that says nothing and knows nothing. Just another typical big mouth POS loser who I pegged right from the beginning. Amazing how I can pick assholes like you out in just one or two posts.

As far as Keith McCready and Mark Tadd go...they have said nothing that I don't firmly believe in. I play by feel and aim by sight. Keith made a post and said that he plays all by feels. He also said that when he sets up his EYES GO FROM THE CB TO THE OB AND BACK TO THE CB. I don't know if he does that once, twice, or three times...BUT HE'S OBVIOUSLY AIMING BECAUSE HIS EYES ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH LOOKING AT SOMETHING ALONG THE WAY. WTF is there to challenge?

Maybe you better figure out how to improve your reading comprehension instead of reading shit into it to fit your pea brain views and arguments.
But, I guess that's why you're a DOUCHE BAG.