Bustamante aiming system?

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Can someone please explain to me how Busty is aiming in this video? It's so strange to me and I've been wondering it for a long time because when I watch a pro match I see many other pros do that as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F1aU-PPuWg

For example, if you pause at 56:46, you can clearly see his practical stroke is way left on a cue ball but then the actual hit is below center (correct me if I'm wrong)

I'm sorry if someone thinks it's a dumb question. I just an average player and only use ghost ball as my aiming system.

Thanks!!!!
 
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BABYfrHEAVEN said:
Can someone please explain to me how Busty is aiming in this video? It's so strange to me and I've been wondering it for a long time because when I watch a pro match I see many other pros do that as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F1aU-PPuWg

For example, if you pause at 56:46, you can clearly see his practical stroke is way left on a cue ball but then the actual hit is below center (correct me if I'm wrong)

I'm sorry if someone thinks it's a dumb question. I just an average player and only use ghost ball as my aiming system.

Thanks!!!!
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He's hitting low left to draw the ball back to the rail with spin so that it comes off the rail to the right. When you're spinning off the rail with draw you hit on the opposite side of the ball to the direction you want it to go.

Dispense with the 'aiming system' nonsense. The system that nearly every pro uses, and has always worked for me, is 'hit the ball and make it go in the damn hole'.... If I need help seeing the exact line when I only have half a pocket to go into, I'll imagine a bright neon line that the ball is going to roll down into the pocket, but I don't worry about a 'ghost' ball.

You will instantly and mostly subconsciously know the contact point if you change your thinking around from 'where do I need to contact the ball to pocket it?' to 'how can I manipulate the CB off the contact point at this angle?'
 
I dont think anyone will ever figure out how Bustey aims. he almost always lines up at extreme edges of the QB on practice strokes and hits somewhere else, something you other players do as well. His stroke is also very crooked. Im assuming he can get away with this stuff because of the time he has spent with a cue in his hands.
 
Gorramjayne said:
He's hitting low left to draw the ball back to the rail with spin so that it comes off the rail to the right. When you're spinning off the rail with draw you hit on the opposite side of the ball to the direction you want it to go.

You will instantly and mostly subconsciously know the contact point if you change your thinking around from 'where do I need to contact the ball to pocket it?' to 'how can I manipulate the CB off the contact point at this angle?'
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Oh, I can see he hits low left. Thanks for correct that.

For you last statement, it still makes me confused. I know what you mean because sometimes when I think too much about ghost ball, aiming point, I'm starting to miss more often. Then I decide to forget all about that and I can see I shoot way more accurate.
But one top player in my country after saw me play he said that I can't just aim with my feeling and emphasize that if I can't figure out an aiming point, I will never reach to the higher level.
 
Not sure if this is exactly what you're asking but this has been discussed mutual times in the past. It is rumored this is how the pros are able to get the extreme amounts of spin they use, where as us normal folks would Def miscue.
 
fastone371 said:
I dont think anyone will ever figure out how Bustey aims. he almost always lines up at extreme edges of the QB on practice strokes and hits somewhere else, something you other players do as well. His stroke is also very crooked. Im assuming he can get away with this stuff because of the time he has spent with a cue in his hands.
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Well, this is exactly what i want to say!!
 
BABYfrHEAVEN said:
Oh, I can see he hits low left. Thanks for correct that.

For you last statement, it still makes me confused. I know what you mean because sometimes when I think too much about ghost ball, aiming point, I'm starting to miss more often. Then I decide to forget all about that and I can see I shoot way more accurate.
But one top player in my country after saw me play he said that I can't just aim with my feeling and emphasize that if I can't figure out an aiming point, I will never reach to the higher level.
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A lot of this will come down to personal preference. You will find great players who will tell you to not worry about aiming, and then there will be another player of a similar standard who will swear by one method or another. The primary constant is that both players do whatever it is they do consistently, automatically and they trust their instinct or method. Find what works for you, and then focus on tightening up your technique.

As crooked as Bustamante's backswing is, it always returns to where he is aiming on the cue ball, and he follow's straight through.
 
Gorramjayne said:
He's hitting low left to draw the ball back to the rail with spin so that it comes off the rail to the right. When you're spinning off the rail with draw you hit on the opposite side of the ball to the direction you want it to go.

Dispense with the 'aiming system' nonsense. The system that nearly every pro uses, and has always worked for me, is 'hit the ball and make it go in the damn hole'.... If I need help seeing the exact line when I only have half a pocket to go into, I'll imagine a bright neon line that the ball is going to roll down into the pocket, but I don't worry about a 'ghost' ball.

You will instantly and mostly subconsciously know the contact point if you change your thinking around from 'where do I need to contact the ball to pocket it?' to 'how can I manipulate the CB off the contact point at this angle?'
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"BULLSHIT"

randyg
 
He uses a system of a PIVOT called Off-Set Aiming.
He does it very well by the way.

randyg
 
Ha ha ha. More instructors selling aiming systems. That's the bs.

Busty has been interviewed and asked first hand about his non orthodox stroke. He said from his own mouth on a TAR interview somewhere on YouTube he doesn't use any aiming systems, yet all the instructors on here say he uses CTE or Pro 1. Give me a break!

Just ignore any aiming topic and figure out how to pocket the ball while getting the CB to go where you want.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Ha ha ha. More instructors selling aiming systems. That's the bs.

Busty has been interviewed and asked first hand about his non orthodox stroke. He said from his own mouth on a TAR interview somewhere on YouTube he doesn't use any aiming systems, yet all the instructors on here say he uses CTE or Pro 1. Give me a break!

Just ignore any aiming topic and figure out how to pocket the ball while getting the CB to go where you want.
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TAR video for the match against Alex.

He also admitted on video he aims thick and spins the money ball .
https://youtu.be/6Y2qoCtdiak?t=2672
He said he looks a little bit THICKER .
He looks a the CONTACT POINT.
He points at it on that video .




And in their match, he missed an easy 10-ball one time.
Suddenly he stopped stroking to the left of the ball .
A few games later, he went back at it .
His habit of stroking to the left of the cue ball is just that, A HABIT.
He explained that too in the video interview with Archer .

Alex does Busti and SVB. His SVB is not politically correct though.
https://youtu.be/6Y2qoCtdiak?t=4436
 
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iusedtoberich said:
Ha ha ha. More instructors selling aiming systems. That's the bs.

Busty has been interviewed and asked first hand about his non orthodox stroke. He said from his own mouth on a TAR interview somewhere on YouTube he doesn't use any aiming systems, yet all the instructors on here say he uses CTE or Pro 1. Give me a break!

Just ignore any aiming topic and figure out how to pocket the ball while getting the CB to go where you want.
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Sorry, but what is BS, is posts like yours. Posts by people that are really very ignorant on aiming systems, and how those systems came about.

I have no doubt that Busty doesn't consciously use an aiming system. That does not equate to him actually not using one though.

What many fail to realize and understand is how aiming systems came to be. They came about from studying the pros, and what they actually do that others aren't doing. Then, they refined it down to individual steps and gave it an actual name so others could learn how to do the same thing.

So, to those of you who adamantly state that pros don't use any aiming system, you couldn't be more wrong.

But, rather than actually learn something to help you, go right ahead and knock others knowledge as just trying to sell something.

Looking back over 40 years of playing, if there was something I could change at the beginning that I didn't learn until near the end, it would be doing drills, and learning aiming systems. Yet, those are the two things mocked the most by people that just can't seem to break through to the next level. Go figure....
 
Busty has a system...,

BABYfrHEAVEN said:
Can someone please explain to me how Busty is aiming
I'm sorry if someone thinks it's a dumb question. I just an average player and only use ghost ball as my aiming system.

Thanks!!!!
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I don't know what system is the best, but you should try them all. The one thing that a system will help you do is feel confident about the shot and take some pressure out of shooting it. The pressure will be lessened as you focus on the system and not the out come.

Unless you are already a run-out player or a high B level player or better, looking into a system is worth it, if it improves at all, Time and Money well spent.
 
Keep believing the aiming system bs. ha ha. Aiming systems were made up by instructors to sell videos. They saw how crazy us bangers are at wanting aiming videos. Its the golden carrot us bangers think will improve our game. If you are in the market for selling videos, and don't have an aiming one, you are missing the boat.

Another stellar TAR podcast was the Corey vs Schmidt pre-game interview. The two US Open winners were laughing at all the aiming systems.
 
Take a new direction Randy...,

randyg said:
"BULLSHIT"

randyg
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I appreciate your efforts to help the game by helping people improve their game. You shouldn't defend your position or allow anyone to challenge you because you charge for your information....,

Just ask those that claim to hate aiming systems to send you their Fargo rating or the list of tournaments that they have won or finished high in, or the people that they have matched up with and beat..,

Those list will be short.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Keep believing the aiming system bs. ha ha. Aiming systems were made up by instructors to sell videos. They saw how crazy us bangers are at wanting aiming videos. Its the golden carrot us bangers think will improve our game. If you are in the market for selling videos, and don't have an aiming one, you are missing the boat.

Another stellar TAR podcast was the Corey vs Schmidt pre-game interview. The two US Open winners were laughing at all the aiming systems.
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So says the guy that has made repeated posts about not being able to get any better than a C player. Maybe it's time to take the blinders off?

Or, you can just keep on like you are, and mocking knowledge that has helped many players improve.
 
I'm a a solid B now, thank you, and I have beaten the 9 ball ghost a few times in the past year on a 9' GC.

The only people aiming systems have helped are the ones who sell them.
 
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