Buyer Pays Insurance for Shipment?

The key concept is "risk of loss". Law and contract determines. Whoever has the risk needs to insure. Stipulate risk remains on seller until buyer accepts.

This stuff is like birth control -- it really needs to be discussed during negotiations, prior to commencement of performance.
Like pool-players know shit about birth control. ;)
 
The buyer insures.
If he files a claim, it's him that gets paid for damages or lost merchandise.
Long as seller can prove shipping....his job is done.
How does the buyer insure a delivery to themself that they do not originate, package, pay for or actually surrender the item to the carrier? The buyer may reimburse the seller for shipping cost or use a credit card or 3rd party, like PayPal, in case of fraud, damage or non-receipt, Nonetheless, the seller has to file any and all delivery claims as the originator of the delivery.

If anyone has ever dealt with USPS, Fed Ex, UPS, etc., common carriers look to the originator of the transaction, not the recipient, to file a claim for non-receipt. The carrier actually views this as a failure to deliver type complaint since the recipient is not the carrier’s customer. The originator of the shipment that pays the carrier is the only true customer of the carrier.

The recipient’s relationship as a customer of the shipper does not make them a customer of the carrier. The carrier’s only customer is the person that originates and pays for the shipping, not the party receiving the shipment. At least this is how my experience has been with lost shipments. I think the actual shipping agreement used explains this with specificity.
 
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How does the buyer insure a delivery to themself that they do not originate, package, pay for or actually surrender the item to the carrier? The buyer may reimburse the seller for shipping cost or use a credit card or 3rd party, like PayPal, in case of fraud, damage or non-receipt, Nonetheless, the seller has to file any and all delivery claims as the originator of the delivery.

If anyone has ever dealt with USPS, Fed Ex, UPS, etc., common carriers look to the originator of the transaction, not the recipient, to file a claim for non-receipt. The carrier actually views this as a failure to deliver type complaint since the recipient is not the carrier’s customer. The originator of the shipment that pays the carrier is the only true customer of the carrier.

The recipient’s relationship as a customer of the shipper does not make them a customer of the carrier. The carrier’s only customer is the person that originates and pays for the shipping, not the party receiving the shipment. At least this is how my experience has been with lost shipments. I think the actual shipping agreement used explains this with specificity.
Exactly. Well stated. The seller/shipper is the only party connected to the carrier not the buyer.
 
Exactly. Well stated. The seller/shipper is the only party connected to the carrier not the buyer.
This is why I will not use insurance - my gamble - if packed correctly - ls only that the item gets reported as delivered in the Fed Ex tracking - I am 100for 100 in that category - fraudulent buyer claims have no basis - unless there is insurance - then I am on the hook to either collect the insurance or prove buyer fraud in their damage claim - I will lose on either attempt most of the time.
 
This is why I will not use insurance - my gamble - if packed correctly - ls only that the item gets reported as delivered in the Fed Ex tracking - I am 100for 100 in that category - fraudulent buyer claims have no basis - unless there is insurance - then I am on the hook to either collect the insurance or prove buyer fraud in their damage claim - I will lose on either attempt most of the time.
I see your point. It costs so little i've always bought it just out of habit i guess. Never had an issue shipping or receiving either. I sent a hi-end airgun to Tinian once. The guy at the post office had no clue where it was. Gun got there with no issues.
 
I think the seller should base his selling price on all the incidental costs
That being said
If the seller has a net price he wants to get
Asking the buyer to cover the incidentals is just how he wants to sell it
The buyer always has the right to haggle
Jmho
Icbw
 
I think the seller should base his selling price on all the incidental costs
That being said
If the seller has a net price he wants to get
Asking the buyer to cover the incidentals is just how he wants to sell it
The buyer always has the right to haggle
Jmho
Icbw
Since there isn’t any standard for how quickly the seller should ship and by what means, there is a lot of wiggle room for hindsight observations. A basic rule of sales is align your customer’s expectations before and after getting the sale.

So a seller, in order to include shipping in the selling price they list, has to allow for unknown costs other than by worst case scenario. In other words, assume the buyer lives furthest away on the coast or even Hawaii. Then assume the buyer wants the cue or case pretty quickly so which to use 1-2 days, 2-5 days, 7-10 days, is a signature required and we already discussed insurance? The actual shipping costs can vary significantly so should a seller pick the highest cost to use determining a sale price? Remember, the sale could also be lower than the asking price but by how much?

2%, 5%, 10%, 15%……? I think you should sell the cue as something the other person wants you to ship. So they tell you how to ship it and you charge them accordingly. If the buyer lives closer, they’ll pay less than another that lives further away. Otherwise it’s just shooting from the hip, starting with a higher asking price than you’d expect to get, and don’t go lower than an amount you have in mind including all your possible shipping cost. This other way I described also avoids seller’s regret.
 
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