Call from Colby with Salotto

alphadog

alphadog

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So I have been playing Salotto matches to reach a established fargorate. My fr was around 525 with only 18 games in. I have played a # of matches against a 600+ player and have won more then I have lost. last 2 matches I won decidedly.

The morning after Colby called me from Salotto and asked about those matches. He said either you are a 750 player or your opponent played as a 400. I explained to him what happened and he seemed to accept the influence external factors had on the results.

I then asked him some questions about Salotto/Fargo which he listened to and answered in a professional manner. I told him of questions a friend had about recent documented deceitful info and it's removal. He explained that situation and told me give my # to your friend and have him call me.

Salotto you are doing it right!
 
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alphadog said:
So I have been playing Salotto matches to reach a established fargorate. My fr was around 525 with only 18 games in. I have played a # of matches against a 600+ player and have won more then I have lost. last 2 matches I won decidedly.

The morning after Colby called me from Salotto and asked about those matches. He said either you are a 750 player or your opponent played as a 400. I explained to him what happened and he seemed to accept the influence external factors had on the results.

I then asked him some questions about Salotto/Fargo which he listened to and answered in a problem manner. I told him of questions a friend had about recent documented deceitful info and it's removal. He explained that situation and told me give my # to your friend and have him call me.

Salotto you are doing it right!
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I don't play Salotto but the whole idea just sounds like a perfect way to gaff one's FargoRate. Thoughts??
 
They have parameters in place to safeguard info. The call was brought on by the irregularities in the results. Colby said over 1100 matches a week average and they try and follow up/investigate some results. I talked to another individual who has many games in both Salotto and FargoRate and he said he has been called also.
 
alphadog said:
They have parameters in place to safeguard info. The call was brought on by the irregularities in the results. Colby said over 1100 matches a week average and they try and follow up/investigate some results. I talked to another individual who has many games in both Salotto and FargoRate and he said he has been called also.
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Wait, 1100 matches per week? At a few bucks per match? I don't believe that for a second. If it's really true, I'm impressed. I have the app downloaded and still haven't figured it out.
 
How many games did you play on Salotta? How long did it take for the results to get added to Fargo? What is your rating and robustness now?
 
It seems like the app to me is missing the whole social aspect of pool. It should be like a dating app. It would know your location. If anyone is near you that has the app, it will put you two in touch to attempt to make a game.

Instead it seems like if you already are dating someone for months, it would help coordinate making a dinner reservation.
 
garczar said:
Honest question. I don't play FR pool and almost all i talk to seem to think that Salotto matches should not be considered for FR rating purposes.
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The public conjecture on this issue is far from matching reality.

When someone makes a comment about Salotto being used inappropriately, ask them who in particular they are talking about. All Salotto matches are public on both players' profiles. Check it out for yourself.

Most likely, though, they won't have anybody in mind. It will just be a "people do this" comment--a repeat from someone else who said "people do this," which itself is a repeat of a "people do this" comment.

Statistically, the match scores match expectation just fine. There are not some unusual number of "upsets" or anything.
 
Point(s) made and accepted. it just seems that with no one else around that it would be easy to 'dump' a match to keep FR low. Its your baby so i'll take what you say as fact. I don't have a FR because i don't play enough tourn's and zero league play. It would take me forever to get a robustness of even 200games.
mikepage said:
The public conjecture on this issue is far from matching reality.

When someone makes a comment about Salotto being used inappropriately, ask them who in particular they are talking about. All Salotto matches are public on both players' profiles. Check it out for yourself.

Most likely, though, they won't have anybody in mind. It will just be a "people do this" comment--a repeat from someone else who said "people do this," which itself is a repeat of a "people do this" comment.

Statistically, the match scores match expectation just fine. There are not some unusual number of "upsets" or anything.
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garczar said:
Honest question. I don't play FR pool and almost all i talk to seem to think that Salotto matches should not be considered for FR rating purposes.
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We had a couple in Phoenix work the system to get the husband lowered to gain entry into a capped event.
They got busted and dragged through the mud for months.
It can be used the wrong way, as all things.

Maybe everyone in the pool community got it wrong and the matches were legit.
I don't care enough to argue about it but I'll bet Mike knows the couple to whom I am referring.
 
JolietJames said:
We had a couple in Phoenix work the system to get the husband lowered to gain entry into a capped event.
They got busted and dragged through the mud for months.
It can be used the wrong way, as all things.

Maybe everyone in the pool community got it wrong and the matches were legit.
I don't care enough to argue about it but I'll bet Mike knows the couple to whom I am referring.
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That public airing is what needs to happen and moves us forward. We need to recognize we're all drinking from the same water supply and it's not OK to pee in it.
 
garczar said:
Point(s) made and accepted. it just seems that with no one else around that it would be easy to 'dump' a match to keep FR low. [...]
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It can--and has--been done. Whether it is easy and whether it is the best way to cheat are different issues.

First, you have to have a huckleberry, a cohort who is also a slimeball. It's not hard to imagine a low-integrity person might run with other low-integrity people. But here you need someone who actually plays and doesn't mind their rating fraudulently increased. That's harder because your slimeball friends likely actually want the same thing you do.

Second you probably have to do multiple matches, and though each one may look plausible, they look fishy when viewed all together. That all-together view is what people see when somebody calls you out on social media. Remember those matches are all public for both players for all time. They're not going anywhere. they may get noticed next month or next year when somebody gets suspicious about something else.

Third, 1v1 matches are subject to statistical review. You have to consider that maybe if your 1v1 matches are out of line with your other play perhaps they will be given less influence in the Fargorate optimization.

There are a number of things that might seem like a good idea for a low-integrity person until you actually start trying to do it or dig in a little deeper.
 
My wife played some matches with her friends last year as she only had about 40 games in fargo and her friends wanted her on a team event that was fast approaching and had a 50 game minimum fargo robustness. All was on the up and up. Her friends shoot a lot of tournaments and all had robustness of 500 or more so they got together for an afternoon and she shot enough games to get over her 50 minimum.
Salotto was a great alternative for my wife to get the games in she needed on a short notice.
 
Great info. folks, thanks. About all i know about Fargo is they say 'you betcha' a lot. ;)
 
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