Call shot, Call safe Rules for 10 ball
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I would be ok with call shot, call safe for all the games, but I am ok with BCA and Valley rules 8 ball, and slop for 9 ball. I don't play pro speed. I play pool for fun. For me its a hobby. Gambling in pool is pretty much dead, but that's a whole different discussion. I'd rather gamble at the casino. Its a whole lot less hassle.
The reasoning there is this, since it's called shot, you can call some crazy ball you can't make and shoot a duck to play safe because you did not make your called ball. Such as this diagram, where you will call the 6 but shoot the 1. If you could not hand the ball back after a miss, the incoming player would be at a disadvantage because of an abuse of the rules. Ability to pass back a shot if you missed a called shot keeps this from happening.
I remember when we started playing 10-ball in our league, we got used to that rule pretty quickly. Adjusting to it is not that big a deal.
We can only give it back though, if the opponent pockets an unintended ball or if the called ball drops in another pocket. Lucky safes are still good if nothing drops.
Those rules shouldn't have an effect on two-way shots. Call your shot, and if you miss and get safe, it's still your opponent's shot.
That depends on the rules you are playing. I don't think the original rules were that way and that's why I liked them.
Rules, schmules! Let's see how tough we can make it to play an already difficult game. As for me, I'd prefer to play Ten Ball with 9-Ball rules. Just adding one ball makes the game about 20-25% harder. No reason to mess with the rules to see how hard you can make it or for anyone to understand what's going on. I say Keep It Simple and let them play some pool. We did it that way for years in the Bigfoot tourney and it's worked out just fine, with the absolute best players being the consistent winners. By the way, it's far more rare to make the ten ball on the break as well. It might happen once a day, if that!
Two Way Shot
I agree. This is a huge part of my playing strategy, and has been for 40 years. It diminishes an opponents confidence, if and when you miss, they are always looking from the wrong side of the next ball in order. Huge in 9 Ball...in 10 Ball,Monstrous. IMHO, also.
take all the luck out of the game then the best player wins every time. so who wants to even bother playing.
the idea is to add more of a luck factor so more players have a chance to win then more interest happens.
if true skill was the draw then chess would be played for big money tournaments and be more popular.
pool is barely hanging on in this world for that reason. no money in tournaments because the entry fees arent large enough and no one without being one of the top three or four would pay much to enter.
put more luck into the game more and many would take the risk and the pot would be bigger. the best would not win as often but would win more money overall.
to have the best players in the world make about as much as a bus driver in new york or seattle makes is a shame.
and to have the very best of the best make less than an average doctor or lawyer is terrible.
the idea is to add more of a luck factor so more players have a chance to win then more interest happens.
if true skill was the draw then chess would be played for big money tournaments and be more popular.
pool is barely hanging on in this world for that reason. no money in tournaments because the entry fees arent large enough and no one without being one of the top three or four would pay much to enter.
put more luck into the game more and many would take the risk and the pot would be bigger. the best would not win as often but would win more money overall.
to have the best players in the world make about as much as a bus driver in new york or seattle makes is a shame.
and to have the very best of the best make less than an average doctor or lawyer is terrible.
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But strange things happen. Remember this from the the 3rd Bigfoot event (at the 2013 Southern Classic)?
Totally agree, not only does it remove the luck factor, I also believe this would be better for a general audience as well, since most people like to see "shotmaking" and this format emphasizes going for the shot.
They do. Under call safe rules, the shot can be passed back after a miss if the layout is unfavorable for the incoming player.
Call shot safe ( I call it the 'option') is the worst thing...it doesn't promote shot making...
...it promotes safety play.
You want to see shot making, go back to the old 'roll out' rules.