call shot vs no call

Call shot

Originally Posted by shooteredg
I am curious as to what the consensus on this issue would be. I prefer call shot call safe and no wins off the break. This game is so behind on levels of purity its not even funny! How many times do u see a match have the outcome be determined by a lucky safe or !@#$ed winning ball made by accident! Thanx in advance for your responses!


JUST CURIOUS HOW DO YOU STAND ON THIS ISSUE .

P.S. DON'T SUGAR IT UP TELL IT LIKE IT IS.

THANKS JUST ASKING ROB
 
JasBy said:
I think there are 2 aspects of this question - and that's from the pool player/fanatic perspective, and then the casual fan's perspective.
Pool players want to see strategy matches with call pocket/safe because they realize the levels of skill required to do some of the things that happen. We also like to watch one pocket matches and a banks match.
The casual fan wants to see balls made and racks run out, they don't care as much for the nuances of the game at this point in their fandom, perhaps they never will. These people would rather watch paint dry rather than watch 8-12 straight safety plays in a one pocket match. [...]
It's a delicate balance to maintain, but if you want the sport of pool to flourish in the long run, you have to get the casual fan to tune in and stay tuned in to TV coverage so there can be more matches on TV and more money coming into the sport.[...]
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Pool is a boring game to the uninformed watcher. Watching some guy run 3 racks is as boring as watching a safety battle.

There is no danger of anyone getting injured, much less killed (auto racing, extreme sports), no amazing physical prowess on display (football, basketball), nothing as dramatic as golf recovery shots or putts made or missed (or as pretty a scenery). No scantily-clad pretty women, either.

Pool is just not good TV, and it can't made into it. The huge ad bucks are not ever going to be there. The game should develop without trying to attract mass-market TV viewership, since that isn't going to happen anyway.
 
derangedhermit said:
...No scantily-clad pretty women, either...
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What if we started having the "rack girls" dress like the boxing round card girls??? That might get the masses involved...well, only the male population...unless for the women's pool they had Chippendales racking the "balls" for the women!!!

Just sayin' :yikes:

Jason
 
call.....

pocket is fine by me call safe no way. the greatest pool players didnt get to where they are today by going only for a safe or only going for a shot, they went for the two way shots. IMHO they are making the game go backwards when they remove the two way shot.
 
Like most people, I love the idea of eliminating slop from the game of 9-ball, but any set of rules that either a) prevents me from being rewarded for shooting this shot and making it, or b) punishes me for shooting it and not making it (ie: giving my opponent a pass option afterward) is not ideal. IMO, the two-way shot is absolutely the correct and best shot here, but call shot rules generally won't allow it.

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Aaron
 
Aaron_S said:
Like most people, I love the idea of eliminating slop from the game of 9-ball, but any set of rules that either a) prevents me from being rewarded for shooting this shot and making it, or b) punishes me for shooting it and not making it (ie: giving my opponent a pass option afterward) is not ideal. IMO, the two-way shot is absolutely the correct and best shot here, but call shot rules generally won't allow it.

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Aaron
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Aaron:

I'm using a Linux system at the moment (thus, the WEI table is unviewable due to Adobe not making Flash available for Linux). But if your WEI table is showing a two-way shot whereby you go for the object ball, but if you miss, you leave the opponent safe, you need to know that you are confusing WPA+ rules for WPA rules.

In WPA rules, a "shot-safe" is allowed. If your called-shot doesn't go, and you leave the opponent safe, as long as you didn't inadvertently pocket some other ball in the execution of your shot, your opponent *HAS* to accept the table as-is.

It's only in WPA+ rules that the opponent is given option on a missed shot.

Just a clarification, so that folks don't get the two rulesets crossed!
-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
Aaron:

I'm using a Linux system at the moment (thus, the WEI table is unviewable due to Adobe not making Flash available for Linux). But if your WEI table is showing a two-way shot whereby you go for the object ball, but if you miss, you leave the opponent safe, you need to know that you are confusing WPA+ rules for WPA rules.

In WPA rules, a "shot-safe" is allowed. If your called-shot doesn't go, and you leave the opponent safe, as long as you didn't inadvertently pocket some other ball in the execution of your shot, your opponent *HAS* to accept the table as-is.

It's only in WPA+ rules that the opponent is given option on a missed shot.

Just a clarification, so that folks don't get the two rulesets crossed!
-Sean
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Interesting! I did not know that, Sean. So does a player actually call a "shot-safe", or is it just that there is no penalty for missing a called shot?

Thanks,
Aaron
 
I prefer calling pocket over slop (calling shot is too complicated though, and slopping a shot off the horn and 4 rails back in is rare enough to be worth sacrificing for the sake of simplicity). Like they say... APA = Any pocket, asshole. I played some random drunk banger yesterday in league and watched him run an entire 8 ball rack without making a single ball in an obvious pocket (then proceed to forget to mark his 8 ball, zzz). Really boring and irritating way to play pool imho.
 
Aaron_S said:
Interesting! I did not know that, Sean. So does a player actually call a "shot-safe", or is it just that there is no penalty for missing a called shot?

Thanks,
Aaron
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That's correct but not on the Tony Robles's Predator tour. The players on the tour seem to have no problem with the + rules and like them.
 
Aaron_S said:
Interesting! I did not know that, Sean. So does a player actually call a "shot-safe", or is it just that there is no penalty for missing a called shot?

Thanks,
Aaron
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The player does not actually call a two-way "shot-safe". Under WPA rules there is no option for the incoming player (i.e. no penalty to the shooter) on a missed shot as long as no ball falls.
 
Thank for the info guys. I would personally lean toward the rules that allow a shot-safe.

In the call shot games, can a person call safe and pocket a ball? If so, does the ball come up, and what options does the incoming shooter have?

Aaron
 
Aaron_S said:
Thank for the info guys. I would personally lean toward the rules that allow a shot-safe.

In the call shot games, can a person call safe and pocket a ball? If so, does the ball come up, and what options does the incoming shooter have?

Aaron
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Aaron:

No, in both the WPA and WPA+ rules, if you pocket a ball -- any ball, not just the lowest-numbered ball on the table -- it is option to the incoming player.

Now, that's just for 10-ball; which is unique from other call-shot games.

In 8-ball, the ball stays down, and the incoming player has to accept the table as-is:

http://wpa-pool.com/web/the_rules_of_play#3.6

In 14.1, the pocketed ball gets spotted, and the incoming player has to accept the table as-is:

http://wpa-pool.com/web/the_rules_of_play#4.5

Hope that helps!

-Sean
 
Aaron_S said:
Thank for the info guys. I would personally lean toward the rules that allow a shot-safe.

In the call shot games, can a person call safe and pocket a ball? If so, does the ball come up, and what options does the incoming shooter have?

Aaron
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I believe that if you call safe and pocket a ball, the incoming player has the option. You cannot call safe and pocket a ball without a penalty, so to speak.
 
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