In this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pkG9UgFCVY at approx 17:30, the fifth game Jasmin Ouschan gets a ball in on the break yet sits down and her opponent gets up to shoot. It was no foul as it wasn't ball in hand. I doubt both Jasmin and the ref missed the fact the 5 went in the bottom right corner. I'm stumped.
Can anyone explain this?
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It happened again at 23:00
Weird. Seemed like it was a legal break...
Unsure about the first one, but at 23 minutes she scratched
Quite a few events now use some form of a "three-point rule." This is an additional condition for a satisfactory break. At least three object balls must either be pocketed or reach some line across the table. As pt said, the purpose is to prevent or discourage soft breaks, when the sponsoring body deems them to be inappropriate for the 9-Ball discipline.
In recent Euro Tour 9-Ball events and WPA World 9-Ball Championships, the determining line has been the head string.
In recent US Open 9-Ball Championships, the determining line has been at the side pockets.
If the break is deemed to be not satisfactory because of a 3-point rule, normally the incoming player has the option to take the table as it is or return it to the breaker.
In recent Euro Tour 9-Ball events and WPA World 9-Ball Championships, the determining line has been the head string.
In recent US Open 9-Ball Championships, the determining line has been at the side pockets.
If the break is deemed to be not satisfactory because of a 3-point rule, normally the incoming player has the option to take the table as it is or return it to the breaker.
They were playing a similar rule in a women's tournament a couple weeks ago. Allison Fisher fouled on the break three times in a row and turned the table over to her opponent. Several others fouled the same way on several other occasions while I was watching.
I don't know guys, most rules are three balls past the middle or a combination of balls made and past the line.
The 5 ball drops thats 1.
The 1 Ball hits the point of the middle pocket that should be 2.
Both the purple and red ball go past the middle that's 3 and 4 (I have no idea of the skittles colors and numbers).
The 5 ball drops thats 1.
The 1 Ball hits the point of the middle pocket that should be 2.
Both the purple and red ball go past the middle that's 3 and 4 (I have no idea of the skittles colors and numbers).
So that means the determining line (the 3-point line) for this event was the head string, not the side pockets. On Jasmin's break in that Game 5, the 5-ball was pocketed and the 3-ball reached the head string, but that was only 2 "points" rather than 3. The 1-ball undoubtedly would have reached the head string if it had not hit the side-pocket point. Unfortunately, with these rules, pocket points and miscellaneous collisions sometimes produce non-satisfactory breaks when the break was far from "soft."
Bingo, which is why rules as such are counter productive IMO.
I had a teacher one time, who had a line that fits.
'For every problem, there are multiple solutions. The best solution is the one that causes the least amount of problems in return.'
People keep coming up with "solutions" for a "broken" game, when the game was never broken to begin with. All that these type of "solutions" accomplish is creating more problems.
If anyone wants to "fix" pool, roll back the clock before all of the stupid rule additions, fast cloth etc etc etc..... and go back to the gunslingers game.
Thats all 9 ball was ever intended to be IMO, a fast gambling game with a little luck involved to entice the suckers.
I personally don't have a problem with this rule.
In my area we usually play with this 3 balls must reach the head string rule (or be pocketed) when we use a magic rack, if we are using a wooden triangle we don't have this rule.
In my opinion this rule doesn't exclude soft breaks. It is very possible to soft break and still get 3 balls to reach the head string, you just have to practice a little and find the sweet spot of the rack, speed and spin. It does however exclude the "super (and in my oppinion annoying) soft break", like the one Rodney Morris used in a match against SVB (the video had been posted in the forum a while ago, I couldn't find it to post it here)
In my area we usually play with this 3 balls must reach the head string rule (or be pocketed) when we use a magic rack, if we are using a wooden triangle we don't have this rule.
In my opinion this rule doesn't exclude soft breaks. It is very possible to soft break and still get 3 balls to reach the head string, you just have to practice a little and find the sweet spot of the rack, speed and spin. It does however exclude the "super (and in my oppinion annoying) soft break", like the one Rodney Morris used in a match against SVB (the video had been posted in the forum a while ago, I couldn't find it to post it here)
Got to be it. Good catch
First one: only one ball went past the head string.
3 past the head string or pocketed balls count.
Second: obvious scratch.