Can anyone identify this old cue?

merylane said:
when i talked to pete he said they made their own except for the titlist and gus's. you always hear spain but pete said no?
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That's strange. Is it possible Pete didn't know who was supplying the early forearms?

As far as I know, Spain made blanks for Palmer during the 1960's, and quite a few too. Joel Hercek verified a couple for me and Burton recognized some of the Palmers Joel had in his collection as forearms he supplied. Gus made them later on, from the early 1970's. Palmer probably started making their own splices in the early 1970's too. It's hard to tell the difference between a Szamboti and a Spain forearm - they are both near perfect and used the same veneers. The earlier Palmers I have (earlier than about 1968 ) are almost all Titlists (including ebony Titlists). The second catalog introduced Spain forearms - he made a lot of the early "J" forearms and he may have made the early "I" forearms before Gus did, as well as some of the other models. The Spain "J" forearms have about 1/2" shorter shorter points than the Szamboti's. I have one J made by Szamboti (this was verified by Dick Leonard, the pro who it was made for) and one made by Spain (verified by Joel Hercek). I don't know if Spain started again supplying Palmer when he got back in the business in the later 1970's - it's possible but I doubt it.

Chris
 
I apologize I misworded my earlier post. I meant to say the points in the handle dont seem to be sharp enough to be a Titlist. I agree with the colors and I'm not doubting it being a Titlist blank but everyone I've seen has been razor sharp. Not only the points in the forearm but the points in the handle as well. Thats why I asked if you turn the wrap area down does it effect the sharpness of the points?
 
Michael Webb said:
Palmer also used to import from Japan. I don't know the exact dates, pretty sure Classic Cues does.
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I don't know the exact dates. The points that are imported started at the end of the second catalog and went through the third catalog and beyond. These are the two point configurations that were the start of the import points. Double black and double maple usually gabon ebony or macassar ebony points, black, orange, blue, white with a brown point, rosewood, walnut, bubinga. The latter points can also be found in some Brunswicks and some other cues.
I am attaching an example of this point from a Bullet series Palmer.
Also Paul Rubino is now making cues full time. He has been a leading authority on Palmer and Paradises, as well as coauthoring the Billiard Encyclopedia.

Joe
 
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TATE said:
By the way, these usually came without a rubber butt plug plug, but they would put one in if you want. . . . .
Chris
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Please. This is supposed to be PG-13 rated. ;)
 
TATE said:
That's strange. Is it possible Pete didn't know who was supplying the early forearms?

As far as I know, Spain made blanks for Palmer during the 1960's, and quite a few too. Joel Hercek verified a couple for me and Burton recognized some of the Palmers Joel had in his collection as forearms he supplied. Gus made them later on, from the early 1970's. Palmer probably started making their own splices in the early 1970's too. It's hard to tell the difference between a Szamboti and a Spain forearm - they are both near perfect and used the same veneers. The earlier Palmers I have (earlier than about 1968 ) are almost all Titlists (including ebony Titlists). The second catalog introduced Spain forearms - he made a lot of the early "J" forearms and he may have made the early "I" forearms before Gus did, as well as some of the other models. The Spain "J" forearms have about 1/2" shorter shorter points than the Szamboti's. I have one J made by Szamboti (this was verified by Dick Leonard, the pro who it was made for) and one made by Spain (verified by Joel Hercek). I don't know if Spain started again supplying Palmer when he got back in the business in the later 1970's - it's possible but I doubt it.

Chris
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its kinda cornfusing huh?

i would think pete would know for a couple of reasons, he's very intelegent ,and he started working in the shop in his early teens even before burt was making blanks, (hands up in the air) go figger its pretty cornfusing.
not to mention ive seen pics of blanks that didnt look like burt's or gus's and ive never seen any that were the 18" blank burt was making back then, but thats not to say they havent been cut off, if they were burts?

its not hard at all to tell the difference between gus's and burt's , theyre angle of cut was totally different but yes both were good quality (tachnically the best at the time)

i have a method of i.d. thats not based on visual opinion like most use. and would love to be able to compare your different cues and see the results.

as for the imports i think pete grouped those with titlist (brunswick) cause thats who they were set up to produce for.
 
merylane said:
its kinda cornfusing huh?

i would think pete would know for a couple of reasons, he's very intelegent ,and he started working in the shop in his early teens even before burt was making blanks, (hands up in the air) go figger its pretty cornfusing.
not to mention ive seen pics of blanks that didnt look like burt's or gus's and ive never seen any that were the 18" blank burt was making back then, but thats not to say they havent been cut off, if they were burts?

its not hard at all to tell the difference between gus's and burt's , theyre angle of cut was totally different but yes both were good quality (tachnically the best at the time)

i have a method of i.d. thats not based on visual opinion like most use. and would love to be able to compare your different cues and see the results.

as for the imports i think pete grouped those with titlist (brunswick) cause thats who they were set up to produce for.
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Can you do it from photos? I can e-mail you decent photos if you PM me your e-mail address.

Chris
 
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