Can anyone teach speed control??

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i can do a 3 speed on command
i can do a 5 speed on command etc
the spf guys know what im talking about
but when you have to combine thickness of hit
amount of spin
on a shot
is there no other way to make the cueball stop THERE
by time on the table and practice
something no instructor can teach???
lets assume you have taken lessons or not
but your stroke is reproducible
 
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You are certainly on the correct path.

Speed Control starts with your eyes. Table time is a great equalizer.

SPF
randyg
 
bbb said:
i can do a 3 speed on command
i can do a 5 speed on command etc
the spf guys know what im talking about
but when you have to combine thickness of hit
amount of spin
on a shot
is there no other way to make the cueball stop THERE
by time on the table and practice
something no instructor can teach???
lets assume you have taken lessons or not
but your stroke is reproducible
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A good instructor will give you specific drills with very specific position requirements. That will help you to focus on the problem.
 
bbb said:
i can do a 3 speed on command
i can do a 5 speed on command etc
the spf guys know what im talking about
but when you have to combine thickness of hit
amount of spin
on a shot
is there no other way to make the cueball stop THERE
by time on the table and practice
something no instructor can teach???
lets assume you have taken lessons or not
but your stroke is reproducible
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Drills and table time are gonna be the key here.... You have to learn to judge the speed before you ever get down on the shot.. This part doesn't have any short cuts... Half ball hits the cueball and object ball travel the same distance and you work from there on your speed...

One thing that may help is to add some practice strokes to your Pre-PSR when you are analyzing the table before you get down to shoot.. Try to visualize exactly what the entire shot will look like and try and match your "air guitar" strokes to the visual you have in your mind... This will help reinforce or modify the subconscious mind where touch, feel and speed control reside......
 
bbb said:
i can do a 3 speed on command
i can do a 5 speed on command etc
the spf guys know what im talking about
but when you have to combine thickness of hit
amount of spin
on a shot
is there no other way to make the cueball stop THERE
by time on the table and practice
something no instructor can teach???
lets assume you have taken lessons or not
but your stroke is reproducible
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I think that a player's ability to shoot at the right speed on any given day depends on a few things:

1.) Is the player in stroke? Meaning: Has the player been playing a lot of pool and been successful? If so, then the transition to adjust to the speed of any given table will be quicker and more accurate than the player who hasn't been playing much lately, or one who is currently struggling with their game.

2.) Equipment and humidity levels. The higher the humidity level, the more difficult it is to obtain the correct speed on any given shot. High humidity renders tables inconsistent. Not all cushions will react the same, and there will be fast and slow spots in the cloth as well.

Some equipment will play inconsistently regardless of the humiditiy level, due to wear and poor maintenance.

3.) You can use mechanics and drills to get you started learning speed control. Some players never shoot speed drills. It depends on the player and how they assimilate information. In the end, it will all come down to feel, regardless of your approach to learning speed control.
 
any speed drills anyone wants to post or pm me would be helpfull
i like doing drills....:eek:.....:smile:
since im learning
the drills force me to get the ball from here to there or to make a certain shot
i can keep score and see progress over time
im starting to beat the ghost with 5 -6 balls
do well with 4 balls most of the time
problem is with 4 balls i can shoot my way out and play a different position route the balls are so spread out
i can be off with my speed end up on the other side of the ball i wanted to be on or be forced to take a longer shot than i wanted too or have a tougher cut
with 5-6 balls the "escape" from imperfection ie getting out of line isnt so easy...:frown:
 
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The Renfro said:
Drills and table time are gonna be the key here.... You have to learn to judge the speed before you ever get down on the shot.. This part doesn't have any short cuts... Half ball hits the cueball and object ball travel the same distance and you work from there on your speed...

One thing that may help is to add some practice strokes to your Pre-PSR when you are analyzing the table before you get down to shoot.. Try to visualize exactly what the entire shot will look like and try and match your "air guitar" strokes to the visual you have in your mind... This will help reinforce or modify the subconscious mind where touch, feel and speed control reside......
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I think there's enough information here and a couple of other posts to develop your own drill.

Since you can do the Mother Drill start with 1/2 ball hits with specific targets for the CB. Is it a 1 or 3 or 5 or.. hit to land on the target? Learn that then go to other overlaps. Now start working the clock.

Like was said and you agree, table time is key and of course try to do your work on the same table.
 
Visualization helps

The Renfro said:
Drills and table time are gonna be the key here.... You have to learn to judge the speed before you ever get down on the shot.. This part doesn't have any short cuts... Half ball hits the cueball and object ball travel the same distance and you work from there on your speed...

One thing that may help is to add some practice strokes to your Pre-PSR when you are analyzing the table before you get down to shoot.. Try to visualize exactly what the entire shot will look like and try and match your "air guitar" strokes to the visual you have in your mind... This will help reinforce or modify the subconscious mind where touch, feel and speed control reside......
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I like this. Visualization of a shot well-executed brings up your memory of the last time you executed properly. This will include proper speed, IF you have built up a memory bank with lots of "makes" and relatively few "misses".

Donny L
PBIA/ACS Instructor
 
bbb said:
i can do a 3 speed on command
i can do a 5 speed on command etc
the spf guys know what im talking about
but when you have to combine thickness of hit
amount of spin
on a shot
is there no other way to make the cueball stop THERE
by time on the table and practice
something no instructor can teach???
lets assume you have taken lessons or not
but your stroke is reproducible
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I'm not an 'instructor' but I do have 45 yrs. of experience. I'm only trying to help & do not mean to start any 'arguements'. I have seen a video of Mr. Lee shooting a couble of different # speeds & that's the extent of my 'knowledge' of that. But, as you have obviously found out, the reality of the situation sometimes requires more. My forum handle is English! (but I'm not English) It's kind of like surfing a wave. Each wave (or pool situation) is different & therfore require a little bit different technique. Side spin combined with draw or follow offers another option. Side Spin can change the angle & therefore change the speed requirement to get to a certain spot. It can be a very valuable 'tool'. But like anything worth doing & doing well it takes... a would not necessarily call it practice but at least time spent on the table. Experiment with it & see if it is something worth while to you. Good luck with it & best wishes.
 
There are many good replies here that should help the op. One key thing to remember is that energy in = energy out. If some of the forward energy is used to create rotational spin on the cue ball, that is energy that will NOT develop more directional speed. IOW, the farther off center you hit the cue ball, the less directional speed you will get.
Steve
 
Bob Jewett said:
There are speed drills in this Basics/Progressive Practice handout starting on about page 14.
There are lots of drills scattered through these articles.
There are lots of drills on Dr. Dave's Instructor and Student Resources page


Please let us know which ones you like in particular for learning how to control speed.
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bob
unfortunately i cant get the weii table to work
your progressive drill are very helpfull
one drill i like is take an object ball 4 balls out from the first diamond
from the corner parralell to the short rail
place the cue ball 3 balls out from the 3rd diamond
there are 4 tafget area in this drill
make the ball and go to the shrt rail then to the 2nd diamond on the opposite long rail
next target 2 rails to the center of the table
next target 2 rails to around the 6th diamond from the corner you pocketed the ball and one diamond out from the rail
next target 4 rail to around the 7thh diamond down and 2 diamond out
making sure you come into the 3rd rail in between the 6th and 7th diamond to tanke the scratcch out of the picture
 
i got a great set of drills from someone via pm
i havent asked yet if i can say who but i want to acknowledge their and his
help
you know who you are
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here is a different drill for stroke and speed
not from that set
cue ball on head spot
object ball frozen 5 diamonds up
center ball
make the ball go straight across the table
i rail to the opposite side
2 rail back and forth but not touching the second rail
again taking the scratch out if you dont go straight back and forth
 
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run outs where the ballls are in predetermined places
joe turner has a nineball runout patter that is good for speed and cue ball direction control
drills that require cue ball directional control with speed control im finding most helpfull now
heres one from lee brett
i try to get the cueball to just touch the desired target
lee brett drill.jpg
 
here is another one
by the way i greenshot these they are not from poolbz
leebrettdrill#2.jpg
 
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i want to thank all of you who have taken time to answer my questions
i am improving
had 2 break and run out in nine ball practice today against competition
not practicing by myself
(not in a row:()
a few i should have run out but missed a makeable key ball to continue the out
need more practice
im staying on the right side of the balls more often
again thanks to all
your words do not fall on deaf ears
 
A good starter is Bert Kinister's 60 Minute 9 Ball Workout. There are 27 shots that come up frequently. All of the shots bring you back to or across the center of the table making all of them "no scratch" shots. Add these to your ability to do a 3 or any of the other #'s included in the Mother Drill you mentioned and you will have some powerful tools. A lot of the rest is intelligent table time.
 
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