Can male snooker players dominate mens pool?

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I would have to agree that the English snooker players shoot straight and are very solid shotmakers including long shots, but if you watch them play the other games such as One-Pocket and or banks they are not as comfortable. Now there are some exceptions to this rule, but generally speaking I would say that 90% of the top snooker players that live on six by twelve would barely know what One-Pocket is, let alone the rules of such a beautiful game.
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trophycue said:
many snooker players can compete at a high level of 9 ball
That's not that accurate. Only 2, Drago and Davis. The rest got in the WPC because the country they're from had mandatory spots. If they had to go through the qualifying rounds, there might be a fewer number of them making it to the WPC.

Alex Pagulayan is not purely a snooker player, so I didn't include him in there. Marlon Manalo apparently plays snooker, but I bet he also plays a lot of pool, having been based in Philliphine.
 
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SplicedPoints said:
That's not that accurate. Only 2, Drago and Davis. The rest got in the WPC because the country they're from had mandatory spots. If they had to go through the qualifying rounds, there might be a fewer number of them making it to the WPC.

Alex Pagulayan is not purely a snooker player, so I didn't include him in there. Marlon Manalo apparently plays snooker, but I bet he also plays a lot of pool, having been based in Philliphine.

Both Alex and Marlon were purely snooker players before they took up pool IIRC.
 
SplicedPoints said:
That's not that accurate. Only 2, Drago and Davis. The rest got in the WPC because the country they're from had mandatory spots. If they had to go through the qualifying rounds, there might be a fewer number of them making it to the WPC.

Alex Pagulayan is not purely a snooker player, so I didn't include him in there. Marlon Manalo apparently plays snooker, but I bet he also plays a lot of pool, having been based in Philliphine.
I guess you dont remeber Jimmy White beatiung Efren a few years back................what chance would Efren hjave playiong Jimmy snooker?
 
Snake said:
After reading the article on Kelly Fisher in BD, and knowing how dominating Allison Fisher, and Karen Corr have been in womens pro pool, I wondered if the best male snooker players from Great Britain could likewise dominate mens pro pool.

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I am not sure but they are very very strong players
 
trophycue said:
I guess you dont remeber Jimmy White beatiung Efren a few years back................what chance would Efren hjave playiong Jimmy snooker?

I don't know, but Efren plays decent snooker. I reckon he is capable of running out a few games on Jimmy White. Maybe he won't beat White in a long match, but I'm sure he's capable of winning a few games. Winning a few games in snooker can sometimes be like winning a match in pool, when you compare the total number of shots attempted and made. However, I'm willing to bet that the Efren will beat Jimmy White in the majority of 9 ball matches between them, let alone banks, 1 pocket, and 8 ball. 1 match win doesn't qualify Jimmy White as a top 9 ball player. What has Jimmy White done in the following WPCs? Nothing much I can recall.
 
LastTwo said:
Both Alex and Marlon were purely snooker players before they took up pool IIRC.

Alex played alot of snooker in Toronto in his younger years due to that city having probably the most powerful snooker scene in America. Nevertheless he is and has always been a 9-ball player who played snooker, not the other way around. He was never a snooker player solely, at 18 years old he was already known as a feared 9-ball player in Canada and likely a future world champ. That was a good 10 years ago.

Canada has a ton of players that are old snooker players, take a look at any of our top players over 40 years old and they are likely on time century running snooker players. Horsefall, snooker pro. Potier, snooker pro. Alain Martel, snooker. John Jorgenson, snooker. Brady Gollan, snooker. Those guys are all way more former snooker specialists then Alex ever was. Alot of these guys are definately playing more 9-ball now, Gollan is strong, Potier is obvious, so is Horsefall. Jorgenson is no slouch as anyone on the East Coast knows. Bernie Mikkelsen was a phenomenal snooker player who became the top player in Western Canada for a few years in 9-ball.

None of these guys were world champion snooker players, and they never became that calibre of 9-ball players either. That is basically how it works, if you have the natural aptitude to stroke a cue and pot balls and play shape you will be great at either game you choose to pick up. If Efren had been grabbed at 3 or 4 years old, given a snooker coach at that age which is standard in the UK for the top potential, and then lived and breathed snooker as the top pro's of that game did would he be a champion level snooker player? Damn straight. Rempe starting when he did never had a hope, trying to become a world class snooker player at that age after playing 9-ball for as long as he did was a waste of time, aint gonna happen. The top players of that game are born and bred into it.

Could all the top snooker players go the other way and become top 9-ball players? Not really, style kills alot of them. 9-ball takes quite a different approach and stroking style then snooker and the snooker players who have a restricted style top out and cannot progress without changing their game in a major way. Allison is probably the pinnicle of ability with a pure snooker stance and approach to the game for men or women, to extend beyond that and get better and closer to the top men Allison would have to lose alot of the rigid style she uses for a more powerful pool approach. She wont, she does not need to beat anyone that can handle the level she plays at in that snooker style. If she needed to beat Efren and Archers of the world she would need to change her style because she can not get any further with it. Alot of the top male snooker players are no different, they would need to change their style. Hendry would not dominate the 9-ball world.

Ronnie O'Sullivan though, there is a guy who would tear the 9-ball world a new one. And why? Style, the guy has a far looser stroke then normal snooker players, he practically plays snooker like it is 9-ball. It would take him a year or two but he would be a top echelon 9-ball player and likely the best. Dominating the sport as said is tough due to the easy condintions and the ability for any of the top 20 players in the world to run a set, even a guy with Ronnie's skills could not stop a guy who wins a coin toss from running out a set. That is the problem with our game.
 
SplicedPoints said:
I don't know, but Efren plays decent snooker. I reckon he is capable of running out a few games on Jimmy White. Maybe he won't beat White in a long match, but I'm sure he's capable of winning a few games. Winning a few games in snooker can sometimes be like winning a match in pool, when you compare the total number of shots attempted and made. However, I'm willing to bet that the Efren will beat Jimmy White in the majority of 9 ball matches between them, let alone banks, 1 pocket, and 8 ball. 1 match win doesn't qualify Jimmy White as a top 9 ball player. What has Jimmy White done in the following WPCs? Nothing much I can recall.
I think it is safe to say Jimmy will beat Efren WWAY more at 9 ball than Efren will beat Jimmy at snooker..............come on now .....you have to admit , with Jimmy's fast and loose style he would have been an awsome 9 ball player ..........btw I love Efren , just using the best as a measuring stick
 
trophycue said:
I guess you dont remeber Jimmy White beatiung a few years back................what chance would Efren hjave playiong Jimmy snooker?

The same chance he would have playing Efren at billiards.
 
macguy said:
The same chance he would have playing Efren at billiards.

if your talkin 3 cushion .........I have never seen either of them play...,,,,,,,,,,,,if your talkin english billiards......I think jimmy has the edge
 
I don't think anyone can argue against the rocket being able to be an elite world class player in 9ball, but its pretty hard to say otherwise.

unless there are significantly more people playing snooker in the UK than there are in US, asia, phillipines, i highly doubt that snooker players would dominate 9ball pool. the actual process involved in shooting balls in a hole is simple enough that any physiological differences between races will make no difference, so it really comes down to which game people play first. it might be easier to switch from snooker to pool than from pool to snooker (im not supporting this idea), but at the very top level, it really comes down to which game the person has been playing forever.
 
Good points there.

The snooker circuit pays a lot of money and thus there is a lot of competition for top spots. The larger table and the competition demands a lot of diligent practice. Pool is easier. In pool you always here of practicing *less* to find better form, not usually so in snooker. But being supremely the best at it isn't, as the game being simple, so many people can get good at it.

As for domination: the nation/people who will put the most large scale effort in it, will prevail. It could be the Chinese, for example. Top grade snooker players don't have the reason to commit themselves to pool.
 
Nobody can dominate men's 9ball these days. The game's just not tough enough and there are way too many good players. The top players stay the same of course, but nobody could ever be feared at 9ball as Ronnie is feared at snooker.

I believe that playing 15ball rotation game would separate the men from the boys. Also 14.1 on extremely tight pockets would do the trick. Snooker guys would probably do well at 14.1, but they'd be in serious trouble at 15ball rotation!!! Many players would no matter what background!
 
Celtic said:
Alex played alot of snooker in Toronto in his younger years due to that city having probably the most powerful snooker scene in America. Nevertheless he is and has always been a 9-ball player who played snooker, not the other way around. He was never a snooker player solely, at 18 years old he was already known as a feared 9-ball player in Canada and likely a future world champ. That was a good 10 years ago.

Canada has a ton of players that are old snooker players, take a look at any of our top players over 40 years old and they are likely on time century running snooker players. Horsefall, snooker pro. Potier, snooker pro. Alain Martel, snooker. John Jorgenson, snooker. Brady Gollan, snooker. Those guys are all way more former snooker specialists then Alex ever was. Alot of these guys are definately playing more 9-ball now, Gollan is strong, Potier is obvious, so is Horsefall. Jorgenson is no slouch as anyone on the East Coast knows. Bernie Mikkelsen was a phenomenal snooker player who became the top player in Western Canada for a few years in 9-ball.

None of these guys were world champion snooker players, and they never became that calibre of 9-ball players either. That is basically how it works, if you have the natural aptitude to stroke a cue and pot balls and play shape you will be great at either game you choose to pick up. If Efren had been grabbed at 3 or 4 years old, given a snooker coach at that age which is standard in the UK for the top potential, and then lived and breathed snooker as the top pro's of that game did would he be a champion level snooker player? Damn straight. Rempe starting when he did never had a hope, trying to become a world class snooker player at that age after playing 9-ball for as long as he did was a waste of time, aint gonna happen. The top players of that game are born and bred into it.

Could all the top snooker players go the other way and become top 9-ball players? Not really, style kills alot of them. 9-ball takes quite a different approach and stroking style then snooker and the snooker players who have a restricted style top out and cannot progress without changing their game in a major way. Allison is probably the pinnicle of ability with a pure snooker stance and approach to the game for men or women, to extend beyond that and get better and closer to the top men Allison would have to lose alot of the rigid style she uses for a more powerful pool approach. She wont, she does not need to beat anyone that can handle the level she plays at in that snooker style. If she needed to beat Efren and Archers of the world she would need to change her style because she can not get any further with it. Alot of the top male snooker players are no different, they would need to change their style. Hendry would not dominate the 9-ball world.

Ronnie O'Sullivan though, there is a guy who would tear the 9-ball world a new one. And why? Style, the guy has a far looser stroke then normal snooker players, he practically plays snooker like it is 9-ball. It would take him a year or two but he would be a top echelon 9-ball player and likely the best. Dominating the sport as said is tough due to the easy condintions and the ability for any of the top 20 players in the world to run a set, even a guy with Ronnie's skills could not stop a guy who wins a coin toss from running out a set. That is the problem with our game.

Good post Celtic. I heard that the best snooker players in the world are actually from Canada and not the UK. What do you think?
 
LastTwo said:
Good post Celtic. I heard that the best snooker players in the world are actually from Canada and not the UK. What do you think?

I think you need to get your ears syringed.

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Snake said:
After reading the article on Kelly Fisher in BD, and knowing how dominating Allison Fisher, and Karen Corr have been in womens pro pool, I wondered if the best male snooker players from Great Britain could likewise dominate mens pro pool.

snake

Anything is possible...but if they could why would they? The $$$ is ten fold playing snooker in Europe than it is to play 9-Ball in the U.S.. I would imagine too over the long haul the big breaks, kicking and banking would break the snooker player down in the long run. I also read in this thread where Efren is a decent snooker player, if he had an interest in the game he may have well dominated it too.
 
A couple of points:

1. Snooker recently lost its major sponsor with tobacco ads being banned from tv over there. The money might start disappearing and then maybe you will see some snooker players come over for tourneys.

2. I'm not 100% sure on this, but I've heard that it was very hard to get into the snooker scene for Americans because of the preferential treatment of the UK pros. Rempe, Massey, and maybe Mizerak tried to go over and play but they had a hard time getting into tourneys by the way they ran them with entry requirements, limited fields,etc... Of course I also heard they were getting drilled occasionally by 14 year olds...

3. Although I still feel the larger balls and the requirement for power in nine ball prevents most snooker players from running racks until they've played for awhile, The One who posts here was running out left and right in Sacramento and says his stroke sucks compared to Ronnie O'Sullivans'.

If they do invade, once they adjust they are going to do major damage over here.
 
It can happen.

LastTwo said:
Alex Pagulayan is already one of the top 10 players in the world (IMO), the only people who will gamble with him are the Taiwanese. Marlon Manalo is the most feared player on the west coast tournament trail, so yes I think that snooker players can be in the upper-echelon of players. Notice that I said that I don't think the UK players or anyone who plays with that classic style can be ANY type of force in 9-ball. Find a snooker player with Alex or Marlon's stroke and you've got a good 9-ball player.

Marlon is a very good example of a Pro Snooker player that has made the transition to pool and is doing very well, because he has something to prove. I read one article (I think is was FHM Philippines) wherein he mentioned how he was looked down at by the filipino pool players when he switched to pool. He practice a lot in Dubai and joined the qualifiers in WPC 2004. His first timeout there, he was a quarterfinalist. Watchout for this guy.

As to Alex only being played by taiwanese players, that's entirely untrue. You can read in

http://www.worldpoolchampionship.com/article_detail.asp?article_id=2086

that Alex said he can't seem to beat Dennis Orcullo and I have seen him beaten many times by Dodong Andam in Coronado Makati in any game that Alex names. That was funny watching Alex scratching his head to find something that he could beat Dodong at.
 
Let's not forget another former Canadian snooker player who get's the 9 ball cheese pretty well Ronnie Wiseman
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