Can someone help me with more info on this...

[phinmole]

Brunswick Personal cue?

Cue looks new. Finish is shiny. Cue appears straight. There is an issue with the wrap having a buckle line close to the top of the handle area. Also the screw area attached to the butt turns a little. Needs to be glued or tightened? Not sure.

Any help would be appreciated. Looking for dates made and of course value

Thanks,

Felix

 

[manwon]

Brunswick Personal cue?

Cue looks new. Finish is shiny. Cue appears straight. There is an issue with the wrap having a buckle line close to the top of the handle area. Also the screw area attached to the butt turns a little. Needs to be glued or tightened? Not sure.

Any help would be appreciated. Looking for dates made and of course value

Thanks,

Felix

The cue was the last Brunswick cue model made in the USA. These cues were made by Schmelke, including the look a like Titlist Spliced forearm. These cues were made in 1969 only and the cue pictured was the top of the line model. After this production for Brunswick all other cues with thier name were made in Asia, untill Joss and others started making cues for Brunswick in the 1990's here in the USA and Canada.

Hope this helps!!!!

 

[phinmole]

Helps a LOT! Thanks. Any idea on the value of these?

Felix

 

[manwon]

Helps a LOT! Thanks. Any idea on the value of these?

Felix

Sorry but the value is not very high unless you can find someone specifically interested. The one you have appears to be in great condition, a few months ago I sold one that was almost as good for $250. Most collectors lost interest when Brunswick stopped make thier own cues, but I think they are still a great peice of history, and I do not think there were many made.

Craig

 

[phinmole]

Thanks!

Felix

 

[Cuephoric]

The cue was the last Brunswick cue model made in the USA. These cues were made by Schmelke, including the look a like Titlist Spliced forearm. These cues were made in 1969 only and the cue pictured was the top of the line model. After this production for Brunswick all other cues with thier name were made in Asia, untill Joss and others started making cues for Brunswick in the 1990's here in the USA and Canada.

Hope this helps!!!!

Craig,Once again I am humbled by your wealth of knowledge!
The more I start to think I know about this billiards world of ours, the faster you show me that I need to read more forums!


Felix, where do you keep finding these mystery cues?!!lol
Did you ever get the "H" cue figured out?

 

[Pizza Bob]

The cue was the last Brunswick cue model made in the USA. These cues were made by Schmelke, including the look a like Titlist Spliced forearm. These cues were made in 1969 only and the cue pictured was the top of the line model. After this production for Brunswick all other cues with thier name were made in Asia, untill Joss and others started making cues for Brunswick in the 1990's here in the USA and Canada.

Hope this helps!!!!

Craig:

Just to put a finer point on it...The Personal, and other models of that time, were made both in 1969 and 1970 and can be differentiated by a number stamped above and below the joint. The '69 cues (and there were about 6 or 7 different models) were made entirely by Schmelke for Brunswick. In 1970 Scmelke made the butts and jointed and fitted a shaft balnk to the butt, and stamped the numbers. The jointed blanks were then sent to Japan (probably an early venture by Adam / Dick Helmstetter) for final contouring and ferrule and tip installation. The numbers were used to properly mate the butts and shafts upon their return from Japan. Production eventually went entirely to Japan (Adam) and ultimately to Taiwan, which knocked-off a lot of the Adam/Brunswick designs. This was the nadir of Brunswick cue offerings. There was one other cue manufcturer involved with Brunswick at this time (early '70's), and that was Dufferin. There was a line of Brunswick cues called The Silver Line, that was wholly produced by Dufferin and sported the unique Dufferin joint. One last fine point - When Brunswick got back in the cue business in the early 90's, not all lines were made in the USA and Canada, there was still some Taiwanese production, but by this point the quality had improved vastly.

I think you were pretty much spot-on with your value assessment. Of course, anything is only worth whatever someone is willing to pay. Just had a friend that sold a Titlist (rosewood) on Ebay and got $670+ for it - we all dream of hitting home runs.

HTH a little more

Adios,

Pizza Bob

 

[manwon]

Craig:

Just to put a finer point on it...The Personal, and other models of that time, were made both in 1969 and 1970 and can be differentiated by a number stamped above and below the joint. The '69 cues (and there were about 6 or 7 different models) were made entirely by Schmelke for Brunswick. In 1970 Scmelke made the butts and jointed and fitted a shaft balnk to the butt, and stamped the numbers. The jointed blanks were then sent to Japan (probably an early venture by Adam / Dick Helmstetter) for final contouring and ferrule and tip installation. The numbers were used to properly mate the butts and shafts upon their return from Japan. Production eventually went entirely to Japan (Adam) and ultimately to Taiwan, which knocked-off a lot of the Adam/Brunswick designs. This was the nadir of Brunswick cue offerings. There was one other cue manufcturer involved with Brunswick at this time (early '70's), and that was Dufferin. There was a line of Brunswick cues called The Silver Line, that was wholly produced by Dufferin and sported the unique Dufferin joint. One last fine point - When Brunswick got back in the cue business in the early 90's, not all lines were made in the USA and Canada, there was still some Taiwanese production, but by this point the quality had improved vastly.

I think you were pretty much spot-on with your value assessment. Of course, anything is only worth whatever someone is willing to pay. Just had a friend that sold a Titlist (rosewood) on Ebay and got $670+ for it - we all dream of hitting home runs.

HTH a little more

Adios,

Pizza Bob

Thanks for the additonal information Bob, I was unaware that when product moved to Asia that Schmelke was still involved for a time. I will put that information in my Memory Bank.

Oh and by the way, to my knowledge, another way to identify the ones made in the USA is the little Black Plastic ring on the bottom of the ferrule. I have seen some of these cues with the numbers at the joint, but those I have seen did not have the plastic ring below the ferrule.



Have a great day Bob!!!!!!

 

[Pizza Bob]

Oh and by the way, to my knowledge, another way to identify the ones made in the USA is the little Black Plastic ring on the bottom of the ferrule. I have seen some of these cues with the numbers at the joint, but those I have seen did not have the plastic ring below the ferrule.

Craig:

You just had to make me get up from the computer and trek down to the basement to see if your theory held water. Here's what I found: The black beauty ring at the bottom of the ferrule was model specific, not year or place of manufacture. I have a number of '70 models that have the black ring. I believe that only the top three models, The Personal, The Sirocco and The Sportsman, had the beauty ring. From the Coronado on down they used a regular white ferrule of unknown material.

More than most sane people ever wanted to know about Brunswick cues.

Adios,

Pizza Bob

 

[manwon]

Craig:

You just had to make me get up from the computer and trek down to the basement to see if your theory held water. Here's what I found: The black beauty ring at the bottom of the ferrule was model specific, not year or place of manufacture. I have a number of '70 models that have the black ring. I believe that only the top three models, The Personal, The Sirocco and The Sportsman, had the beauty ring. From the Coronado on down they used a regular white ferrule of unknown material.

More than most sane people ever wanted to know about Brunswick cues.

Adios,

Pizza Bob

Thanks for your time Bob, and like you say-More than most sane people ever wanted to know about Brunswick cues except for us Bob. There is two much history that is going to the grave with people. I hope some day some one will right a book, and preserve this information.

It is kinda funny many people will read this and say that these guys must be Anal to be concerned with some of these subjects. But, to me and obviously you also there is more here than meets the eye, and to me it is also certainly worth having.

Thanks very much for time Bob, and have a good night!!!!