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mullyman

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Last night I went to a place that I don't frequent more than once or twice a month, because it's kind of far, and I was playing the owner of the place. He's a few years younger than me. I'm guessing he's about 35 or so. Anyway, he and I are both in the SA class so we always have a good time trying to beat each other. In all fairness though I'd say we're 50/50 over the long haul.

Anyway, last night we were playing straight pool and I was getting irritated watching him play. He really doesn't have any concepts of the game like using insurance balls, key balls, etc... He just runs balls. I don't think I've ever seen him run more than a rack or so. The reason he doesn't run more is because he consistently removes the break balls, key balls or any other open ball and leaves a cluster towards the end and has to try to manufacture a break ball. I don't usually say anything to him about it because it just makes it that much easier for me to win. But last night watching him shoot the key ball and then the potential break ball was really driving me up a tree. On one of the racks after he manufactured his break ball and ended up having the CB way up table I was walking by him to rack and I said "You wouldn't have this problem if you'd stop shooting the break ball off the table."

With that I began to give him a little MULLY 101 on straight pool. Pointed out the diamond pattern, showed him how that even if balls are clustered together that "this ball goes over here so there's no reason to run into this" type stuff. So the journey began, I was talking to him ala John Schmidt running his 165 on that DVD, telling him what I was thinking and what I was going to do etc... Turns out I ran 70 balls in 6 innings with the highest run being 31 and there were 2 innings of playing safe.

I think talking about what I was going to do helped me make more balls and look at the patterns differently. I'm going to try to incorporate that into my game for a little while and see what happens.
MULLY
 
Verbalizing your plans is a good way to solidify them in your mind.
I find that I can sink more balls if I call my shot out loud, it seems to make me focus more on the job at hand instead of worrying about my next shot.
When you see the pro's point to a spot on the table where they want the cue ball to go it gives them a clear point of focus and helps them visualize what the want to do.
If it helps your game talk away. Just be prepared for some strange looks if you are playing by yourself.:D

Andy
 
Believe it or not, I recently ran a few balls by kind of "commentating" in my head about what I was going to do and doing it. Not sure if this is the kind of thing you're referring to, but I'm too tired and it's too late. I did read your post and that's what I thought of.
 
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mullyman said:
Last night I went to a place that I don't frequent more than once or twice a month, because it's kind of far, and I was playing the owner of the place. He's a few years younger than me. I'm guessing he's about 35 or so. Anyway, he and I are both in the SA class so we always have a good time trying to beat each other. In all fairness though I'd say we're 50/50 over the long haul.

Anyway, last night we were playing straight pool and I was getting irritated watching him play. He really doesn't have any concepts of the game like using insurance balls, key balls, etc... He just runs balls. I don't think I've ever seen him run more than a rack or so. The reason he doesn't run more is because he consistently removes the break balls, key balls or any other open ball and leaves a cluster towards the end and has to try to manufacture a break ball. I don't usually say anything to him about it because it just makes it that much easier for me to win. But last night watching him shoot the key ball and then the potential break ball was really driving me up a tree. On one of the racks after he manufactured his break ball and ended up having the CB way up table I was walking by him to rack and I said "You wouldn't have this problem if you'd stop shooting the break ball off the table."

With that I began to give him a little MULLY 101 on straight pool. Pointed out the diamond pattern, showed him how that even if balls are clustered together that "this ball goes over here so there's no reason to run into this" type stuff. So the journey began, I was talking to him ala John Schmidt running his 165 on that DVD, telling him what I was thinking and what I was going to do etc... Turns out I ran 70 balls in 6 innings with the highest run being 31 and there were 2 innings of playing safe.

I think talking about what I was going to do helped me make more balls and look at the patterns differently. I'm going to try to incorporate that into my game for a little while and see what happens.
MULLY
YOU MIGHT ALSO POCKET BALLS LIKE EFREN REYES. IT IS VERY SIMPLE. 484 623 4144 HAL HOULE
 
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Android said:
Verbalizing your plans is a good way to solidify them in your mind.
I find that I can sink more balls if I call my shot out loud, it seems to make me focus more on the job at hand instead of worrying about my next shot.
When you see the pro's point to a spot on the table where they want the cue ball to go it gives them a clear point of focus and helps them visualize what theY want to do.
If it helps your game talk away. Just be prepared for some strange looks if you are playing by yourself.:D

Andy
PROS DO NOT POINT TO A SPOT ON THE TABLE WHERE THEY
WANT THE CUE BALL TO GO AND IT DOES NOT GIVE THEM A CLEAR POINT
OF FOCUS OR HELP THEM VISUALIZE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
HAL HOULE
484 623 4144
 
halhoule said:
PROS DO NOT POINT TO A SPOT ON THE TABLE WHERE THEY
WANT THE CUE BALL TO GO AND IT DOES NOT GIVE THEM A CLEAR POINT
OF FOCUS OR HELP THEM VISUALIZE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
HAL HOULE
484 623 4144


Wow, Hal, that was rather uncalled for. I'm on the edge of giving you red rep for this one. I've noticed that your posts usually seem to be very belittling. What is the problem? You never simply add to a discussion, you always jump in, caps lock on, firing away at how your system is the do all end all of playing pool and everyone else is a moron for not using it.
MULLY
 
halhoule said:
PROS DO NOT POINT TO A SPOT ON THE TABLE WHERE THEY
WANT THE CUE BALL TO GO AND IT DOES NOT GIVE THEM A CLEAR POINT
OF FOCUS OR HELP THEM VISUALIZE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
HAL HOULE
484 623 4144

Well EXCUUUUUSE Me.

I guess the pro's use their cue to point to a spot on the table just to show the audience how good they are at getting position.

Sorry Mully, once again I am wrong (I'm married it happens all the time).

Andy
 
Hal won't post anything here except silly nonsense and his phone number.

I've had him and his other aliases on ignore for a while... and I bet I haven't missed much, have I?

Either put him on ignore or just skip reading anything he posts. Problem solved.
 
I think the commentating allows you to stay focused on the task at hand rather than past mistakes and doubt. There's also something to teaching yourself. I remember reading that if you really want to learn something, you should try to teach it.
 
Android said:
Well EXCUUUUUSE Me.

I guess the pro's use their cue to point to a spot on the table just to show the audience how good they are at getting position.

Sorry Mully, once again I am wrong (I'm married it happens all the time).

Andy

Yeah, I'm in that same boat, man.
MULLY
hoping Andy knows that was Hal's comment about position and not mine. :thumbup:
 
I received the same lesson 4 months ago. "You wouldn't have this problem if you'd stop shooting the break ball off the table." The way it started was a lecture on how he, the person I was playing, went around the 7 ball for seven shots and the first ball I shot was the 7? I had no idea what he was saying.:confused: Received no advice on reading end patterns just the fact I was clueless and should go play 8 ball or learn how read the table if I ever plan on getting into the next rack. Then I came here. 4 months later it's still a struggle but at least I have a clue. High run still only 25? In my case after not playing for many years I couldn't play shapes close enough to see a break ball until down to the last 4 or 5 balls and it was still hit or miss getting on it. Patterns were not taught or shared back when. Even now I only get where I want to be perhaps 1 in 5 going for the break shot. Better then the 1 in 10 when I re- entered the pool hall 11 months ago. I think in the end your friend will thank you.
 
After first seeing Rempe's How to Run a Rack in Straight Pool I started doing this myself. I think it does help. I also took a few lessons from George Michaels and just asked him to think out loud when I was playing him. That was invaluable.
 
Fenwick said:
I received the same lesson 4 months ago. "You wouldn't have this problem if you'd stop shooting the break ball off the table." The way it started was a lecture on how he, the person I was playing, went around the 7 ball for seven shots and the first ball I shot was the 7? I had no idea what he was saying.:confused: Received no advice on reading end patterns just the fact I was clueless and should go play 8 ball or learn how read the table if I ever plan on getting into the next rack. Then I came here. 4 months later it's still a struggle but at least I have a clue. High run still only 25? In my case after not playing for many years I couldn't play shapes close enough to see a break ball until down to the last 4 or 5 balls and it was still hit or miss getting on it. Patterns were not taught or shared back when. Even now I only get where I want to be perhaps 1 in 5 going for the break shot. Better then the 1 in 10 when I re- entered the pool hall 11 months ago. I think in the end your friend will thank you.


Well, FWIW, if I have a good break where all the balls are open I immediately look to see what kind of potential break balls there are sitting around the rack. Once I have them identified I look to see what kind of key ball I have on the various, potential, break balls and I literally imagine only those 2 balls on the table and where I want the cue ball when I shoot that key ball. Once I'm done with that I look at any little clusters there may be near the rack area and if there is a potential break ball that can be moved out easily if I need to take a shot on my other break balls. Once I'm satisfied with that I'll begin pocketing balls doing my best not to get in a position that I have to shoot my break ball. Once I get about half the rack gone then I begin working on my end pattern.

If I don't have a good scatter of the balls then I don't start thinking of the break ball until I can get into the rack because I may need that ball as a secondary break. I hate it when there are clusters in the middle of the rack but it seems more times than not that's what I have.
MULLY
 
DJKeys said:
After first seeing Rempe's How to Run a Rack in Straight Pool I started doing this myself. I think it does help. I also took a few lessons from George Michaels and just asked him to think out loud when I was playing him. That was invaluable.

This is a similar thing. Ray Martin instructs a group of people on 14.1 and allows them to pick his brain while he runs balls. It's a great lesson, but a bad video. But still, it's a great lesson. But still, it's a bad video. But still...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8294808311951707336&q=%22ray+martin%22+pool&ei=czaFSJbXOpP8rQLJr_3RBA&hl=en
 
Hey Mully,
No problem with you. I was just in a smart a$$ mood and trying to be sarcastic. Good luck with your game.
Andy
 
halhoule said:
PROS DO NOT POINT TO A SPOT ON THE TABLE WHERE THEY
WANT THE CUE BALL TO GO AND IT DOES NOT GIVE THEM A CLEAR POINT
OF FOCUS OR HELP THEM VISUALIZE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
HAL HOULE
484 623 4144


Hal, this is sad... I've always held a certain level of respect for you. But the more recent posts from you remind me of a certain Fast Larry who tends to flame decent threads and flood it with nonsense, all while belittling others for even participating on a forum in the first place.

I fear you're edging the dangerous grounds of FL ignorance.
Good luck to you Hal... I know you're not lost just yet.
 
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