Can We Talk?!...

ridewiththewind

ridewiththewind

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...or not talk?!:mad:

I just need to vent a little. Played in a local 8-Ball shoot last night. I know, or have at least played most everyone there, so it's generally very friendly.

So, the first guy I draw in the bracket immediately steps to the table and makes the comment...'oh, I gotta play a girl'...sounding kinda put out. I figure, whatever, not the first time I've dealt with it.
So, he wins the break...and it's a pretty piss-poor break, but I play womens league, so I am used to that too. Then he asks me what the rules are. I have seen, and even played this guy before at this particular shoot location, so I am shocked...I tell him Vegas. I am really trying to be tolerant of this guy, I have dealt with his type before. Well, he's shooting lousy, and the break was nasty, but I know something is up, because he is a very good player. Then, instead of just shooting his game...every friggin' shoot he takes he's calling safety on...every shot! I manage to pull legal hits out of all...but would prefer to just play, as it was pretty full shoot, bracket-wise.
I start to get ahead of him, and he starts running at the mouth...everytime I step to the table...will just not shut-up!! I miss a shot, he steps to the table, and his cellphone rings. Now it had rung at least 3 times prior, and he had just ignored it....but this time....he answers the phone.....and walks out of the building to take the call!!! We're in the middle of a game here! He's gone about 10 minutes. Finally, he comes back in and wants me to tell him what his suit is. I just couldn't believe this. Then he DEMANDS that I tell him what his suit is!!!!
I am known as a very good natured person, and I appear to be well liked among the local shooters. But this was just too much! I basically told him to pick a suit, and if it was the right one, he wouldn't hear a peep, but if it was the wrong one, I was taking the BiH. It just went downhill from there! He just wouldn't shut up.

After the set, I had several players come up to me and couldn't believe this guy's behavior. He come's up to me saying something about how he just couldn't let a girl beat him. I looked at him and told him that I was sorry that he had so little confidence in his game, against a girl, that he needed to resort to sharking tactics. I also explained to him that if he pulled some of this crap, (the phone thing, the demand for suit, the endless yammering everytime I stepped to the table), at a bona fide poolhall, someone was gonna put a beat down on him. His reponse was.....'bring it on, *****!'

Apparently, he pulled similar crap with the other gal that was shooting there. I shoot a lot of pool, and this is the first time that I have gotten into it with someone during a set. I just wanted to get it off my chest. Thanks for listening!

Lisa
 
Lisa:

Sounds like you dealt with this bum appropriately. You will beat him every time you play from now on, because he will be so rattled. Haha!

What a jerk!

I would get the help of the tournament director for future incidents.

And remember: it is always nice to have an arch-rival like that! Gives you great motivation!
 
ridewiththewind said:
...or not talk?!:mad:

I just need to vent a little. Played in a local 8-Ball shoot last night. I know, or have at least played most everyone there, so it's generally very friendly.

So, the first guy I draw in the bracket immediately steps to the table and makes the comment...'oh, I gotta play a girl'...sounding kinda put out. I figure, whatever, not the first time I've dealt with it.
So, he wins the break...and it's a pretty piss-poor break, but I play womens league, so I am used to that too. Then he asks me what the rules are. I have seen, and even played this guy before at this particular shoot location, so I am shocked...I tell him Vegas. I am really trying to be tolerant of this guy, I have dealt with his type before. Well, he's shooting lousy, and the break was nasty, but I know something is up, because he is a very good player. Then, instead of just shooting his game...every friggin' shoot he takes he's calling safety on...every shot! I manage to pull legal hits out of all...but would prefer to just play, as it was pretty full shoot, bracket-wise.
I start to get ahead of him, and he starts running at the mouth...everytime I step to the table...will just not shut-up!! I miss a shot, he steps to the table, and his cellphone rings. Now it had rung at least 3 times prior, and he had just ignored it....but this time....he answers the phone.....and walks out of the building to take the call!!! We're in the middle of a game here! He's gone about 10 minutes. Finally, he comes back in and wants me to tell him what his suit is. I just couldn't believe this. Then he DEMANDS that I tell him what his suit is!!!!
I am known as a very good natured person, and I appear to be well liked among the local shooters. But this was just too much! I basically told him to pick a suit, and if it was the right one, he wouldn't hear a peep, but if it was the wrong one, I was taking the BiH. It just went downhill from there! He just wouldn't shut up.

After the set, I had several players come up to me and couldn't believe this guy's behavior. He come's up to me saying something about how he just couldn't let a girl beat him. I looked at him and told him that I was sorry that he had so little confidence in his game, against a girl, that he needed to resort to sharking tactics. I also explained to him that if he pulled some of this crap, (the phone thing, the demand for suit, the endless yammering everytime I stepped to the table), at a bona fide poolhall, someone was gonna put a beat down on him. His reponse was.....'bring it on, *****!'

Apparently, he pulled similar crap with the other gal that was shooting there. I shoot a lot of pool, and this is the first time that I have gotten into it with someone during a set. I just wanted to get it off my chest. Thanks for listening!

Lisa
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My first match last night was with a woman, I really enjoyed it, she brought an "A" game to the table and I really had to work to win. I ended up playing a bit with her after the tournament.

3 matches later I think I played the twin of the guy you played against. What an A hole, sharking all the way. In the end I beat myself and put the 8 down after making a really nice bank, and the jerk says " haha I seen that coming all the way." I smiled and shook his hand and went off to see who I'd be playing on the 1 loss side.

I guess there's always going to be jerks out there, it's unfortunate they turn the volume up higher for women.
 
Lisa, take a deep breath and relax; there will always be people without respect and manners towards others. Nothing you can do about it so just ignore.
 
So did you win?

Don't let asses get to you...the world knows they are asses and you were completely in the right. And don't let him ruin a good night out.

As mentioned before, I would enlist the aid of the TD. From here on out, rules are gone over before the tournament starts and penalties will occur for unsportsmanlike conduct and cell phones, etc.
 
Lisa. Sounds like a category A jerk. I hope you'll whoop his butt some other day... or he gets to play Jasmin Ouschan some day and the whole thing is videotaped :p
 
Sharking!...don't let them do it!, or it will never stop. I am also a very mild mannered player, and used to let stuff like this roll off my back until a big 9ball tourney at the room I worked in. This guy was notorious for sharking, but I never played him before. I won the lag and put a 3 pack on him racing to 9. He got up and missed, and I ran 2 more. After that he was in full shark mode.....always moving, making comment after my shots, talking to the other tables, pissin and moaning til I stepped up to him (I'm 5'6" he's over 6') and said loudly.....When it's your turn, I'm quiet and still......I deserve the same, if you have to shark me to win, let me know now so I can ignore you. He just sat there stunned, along with everyone else because I'm generally very cheery. He shut up, I smoked him.....and he pretty much quit that stupid crap. You gotta call em out when it gets that bad!

Gerry
 
No, unfortunately, after making a lovely run to get ahead of him, I wound up beating myself when I just clipped the tip of the side pocket with the 8. He came back with a 4 ball run, and then made the 8 for the out. I didn't mind losing, as I lasted quite a while after that, but was glad that set was over. But yes, I will make it my personal goal to eat this guy for lunch the next time I play him.

I have a strong 'shot safety' game. So when he started with the back-to-back-to-back safeties, I gave as good as good as I got. I don't think he was expecting me to answer back with equally nasty leaves. The difference is, I did not foul once during the set, however he fouled several times. I played him extemely close....and maybe that bugged him too.

I have had lots of guys early on play safeties on me, just to bury me. AS I stated before....playing in a womens league will definitely bolster your skill in dealing with such leaves. I don't let them bother me all that much, as I am usually successful in pulling at least a legal hit out of it. AS I got to know most of these guys, and they saw that I did not view safeties as obstacles, but challenges, they tended to just bring their game instead.

Lisa
 
ridewiththewind said:
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So, the first guy I draw in the bracket immediately steps to the table and makes the comment...'oh, I gotta play a girl'...sounding kinda put out. I figure, whatever, not the first time I've dealt with it.

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So, he wins the break...and it's a pretty piss-poor break, but I play womens league, so I am used to that too.

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AS I stated before....playing in a womens league will definitely bolster your skill in dealing with such leaves.
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I feel your pain, but just to put it in a different point of view... your own words suggest there is a legitimacy of his piss poor behaviour towards playing you and playing against women in general.

That is to say, your view of the general women's game doesn't exactly scream out "WE DESERVE YOUR RESPECT!!!," but rather, "when playing against a woman, expect a weak break, a lot of misses, and painful safety battles."

Not exactly what you wanted to hear. And it doesn't make him less of a jerk. Unfortunately, with pool playing comes ego. I'm as guilty as the next.


Fred
 
Cornerman said:
I feel your pain, but just to put it in a different point of view... your own words suggest there is a legitimacy of his piss poor behaviour towards playing you and playing against women in general.

That is to say, your view of the general women's game doesn't exactly scream out "WE DESERVE YOUR RESPECT!!!," but rather, "when playing against a woman, expect a weak break, a lot of misses, and painful safety battles."

Not exactly what you wanted to hear. And it doesn't make him less of a jerk. Unfortunately, with pool playing comes ego. I'm as guilty as the next.


Fred
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Fred....I do understand where you're coming from. When I am playing, I prefer to think of my opponents as just that, opponents...I try very hard to not let gender play a role. And truth be told...I would much rather play a crappy, clustered up break, as opposed to a spread out break. And yes, playing in a womens league definitely teaches you to deal with crappy breaks! LOL!! I have worked very hard to improve my break, and have gotten to where I am pocketing at least one ball off the break more often than not.

The 'girl' comment isn't what really bothered me all that much...as I have stated previous, I've dealt with it before, usually from some young hack, and I usually take those games. And it didn't matter if it was a guy or a girl....don't say ANYTHING when I am in stroke!! It's a matter of respect. I respect your time at the table, I expect likewise in kind. Pretty simple. AS to the cellphone...I either turn mine off, or the volume off the ringer. If it's important, they'll leave a message. I most certainly will not stop an active game to not only take the call, but leave the building to do it!!! And in a Vegas game, PAY ATTENTION. It's not my job to keep track of what you're shooting at.

And yes, I will be discussing this next week with the TD. I have been cost a game, for the money, in the past because someone was so drunk they couldn't remember what they were shooting at. Guy was on the shot (which was my suit) which would have given me BiH and the out for the money, and someone from the 'gallery' yelled out to him at the last minute, 'that's not your ball!'

Please note Fred.....none of the above is directed at you. Just trying to make a few points.

Lisa
 
BrooklynJay said:
Did you happen to play Earl Strickland? :D
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You'd a thunk...LOL!! This guy was loud enough that I could hear him over the din of the everything else goin' on. Next time I play him, and I have no doubt I will, I will imagine him as the sound of coins fallin into the tray of an old slot machine. I was always able to close-out that cacophony of the casino while dealing in the Pit....so, I will treat him the same way. :p

BTW.....nice avatar!! Great minds think alike...Lol!

Lisa
 
Lisa

I see the same things happen in my area too, the loud brash cocky guys who think they know how to play, yet can barely make 2 or 3 balls in a row if they are in the pocket.

And get pissed when a girl is beating them so they resort to the stupid comments when ever you make a ball and GOD forbid you happen to slop a shot in lol.

I myself love playing these types of guys, because i will sit there and play saftey after saftey on them, and it generally puts them into such a pissy mood that they cant make a ball at all.

Plus i look at it like payback for being such a ass towards women.

Dave
 
ridewiththewind said:
Please note Fred.....none of the above is directed at you. Just trying to make a few points.

Lisa
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I completely understand. As I said, none of what I said makes the guy less of a jerk.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
I completely understand. As I said, none of what I said makes the guy less of a jerk.

Fred
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And, you know, I gotta own some of this. I am usually 'unflappable' when playing, and I just let him push my button. I am probably, at this point, more pissed at myself for allowing myself to get 'sharked' by this guy. Yes, he is a jerk, but yes, I played into it. It certainly won't happen again!! I re-watched the KotH yesterday afternoon, and payed close attention to what Mika had to say concerning his early experiences playing Earl......I shall now consider this guy my 'Earl'...in fact, I think I shall call him that next time I play him!...LOL!!

Lisa
 
This is just one of the reasons that I tend to shy away from tournaments sometimes. I play in them but not as much as I could because you are going to run into some real creeps out there. When you play on your own, you have the ability to choose who you play with.

I love to play this game so much and I just hate it when I have the opportunitiy to play and I have to share the table with a total a@@whole!
 
and his cellphone rings. Now it had rung at least 3 times prior, and he had just ignored it....but this time....he answers the phone.....and walks out of the building to take the call!!! We're in the middle of a game here! He's gone about 10 minutes.

Now is the time to tell the tournament director that your opponent left and ask for a forfeit.
 
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