Can you put a Bar Box in a Single Wide?

Consider the source.

Before you start relying on the advice of anonymous internet posters on a pool forum for the structural integrity of a mobile home.........Why don't you consult a professional. I see a lot of layman's solutions for a imaginary problem. Talk to the people that manufacture and install mobile homes. A building inspector in your local building license office could help with accurate information also. But then again if you heard it on the internet, it must be true.

I am a remodel carpenter and have a 4x8 bar box in my double wide "Modular Home:wink:". No special support or need there of. I have installed king size water beds in single wide mobile homes with no extra support or problems. If the mobile is set up right the weight of the pool table will not be a problem.
 
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gregcantrall said:
Before you start relying on the advice of anonymous internet posters on a pool forum for the structural integrity of a mobile home.........Why don't you consult a professional. I see a lot of layman's solutions for a imaginary problem. Talk to the people that manufacture and install mobile homes. A building inspector in your local building license office could help with accurate information also. But then again if you heard it on the internet, it must be true.

I am a remodel carpenter and have a 4x8 bar box in my double wide "Modular Home:wink:". No special support or need there of. I have installed king size water water beds in single wide mobile homes with no extra support or problems. If the mobile is set up right the weight of the pool table will not be a problem.
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You wont roll off a water bed when the ground moves.
 
gregcantrall said:
Before you start relying on the advice of anonymous internet posters on a pool forum for the structural integrity of a mobile home.........Why don't you consult a professional. I see a lot of layman's solutions for a imaginary problem. Talk to the people that manufacture and install mobile homes. A building inspector in your local building license office could help with accurate information also. But then again if you heard it on the internet, it must be true.

I am a remodel carpenter and have a 4x8 bar box in my double wide "Modular Home:wink:". No special support or need there of. I have installed king size water beds in single wide mobile homes with no extra support or problems. If the mobile is set up right the weight of the pool table will not be a problem.
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You're a remodel carpenter? Never heard someone refer to that job with that title. If you think my advise is bad, please explain why. And if you honestly want to compare a king size waterbed to a pool table, get out of here right now. The foundation for that waterbed is spread out over its entire frame. Not four little 6" x 6" spots. That waterbed is going to span at LEAST 3 entire joists. That pool table wont have but one joist to reliably sit on. It wont be able to span it's load over 2 other joists like the waterbed can.

You need to leave the bad advise out of this thread.
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
You're a remodel carpenter? Never heard someone refer to that job with that title. If you think my advise is bad, please explain why. And if you honestly want to compare a king size waterbed to a pool table, get out of here right now. The foundation for that waterbed is spread out over its entire frame. Not four little 6" x 6" spots. That waterbed is going to span at LEAST 3 entire joists. That pool table wont have but one joist to reliably sit on. It wont be able to span it's load over 2 other joists like the waterbed can.

You need to leave the bad advise out of this thread.
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What are your qualifications?
 
I know someone who has a Brunswick 9' table in his trailer. Not sure if its a GC or a Centennial, but it's a Brunswick and it's big. And I don't think it's a new trailer, too.

He uses it for one pocket practice and has shorty cues for playing from the sides...

I've hit balls on it and it plays straight.

I'll ask what he's done underneath (if anything)....
 
gregcantrall said:
What are your qualifications?
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I worked solely renovating and remodeling these trailers for the last 3 years. From early 1970's to brand new. Everything I said will hold true. The biggest issue is the particle board floor. Cheap. That's why I'm also suggesting that some plywood be laid down. it has, in my opinion, 10x the ability to hold weight over particle board.

If you really want to stick to the advise a 'pro' would give. You wont like the price. It'll be way more labor intensive, and is basically short of a full floor replacement.

You came into this thread with a negative attitude. You should just stay away.
 
A bar box might weigh 600-700 lbs (valley coin op) so you're only talking about 150-175 lbs per leg or foot. Not impossible to overcome.
 
Calculations for my pool table.

The load on the feet= 5 lbs. /sq. inch.
Total weight 700 lbs.
Size of feet 6 inches square. So we have 36 square inches times 4=144. 700 lb./144 sq. in. = 4.86 lbs./sq. in.

Calculations for my Aunt Ida in her high heals.
Total weight 186 lbs.
size of heal 1/2 sq. in.
186/.5=372 lbs. / sq. in.

As for the load on the floor joists. You have a table that weighs 700 lbs. that occupies 32 square feet of floor space. For a live load of........21.875 lbs. per sq. ft.

So if your aunt or mother or girl friend (in high heels) does not plunge through the particle board floor your pool table is far less likely to. And a live load of 22 lbs. / square foot is well within the standards all manufactured homes are built to.

Again talk to a structural engineer or qualified building inspector.
 
gregcantrall said:
Calculations for my pool table.

The load on the feet= 5 lbs. /sq. inch.
Total weight 700 lbs.
Size of feet 6 inches square. So we have 36 square inches times 4=144. 700 lb./144 sq. in. = 4.86 lbs./sq. in.

Calculations for my Aunt Ida in her high heals.
Total weight 186 lbs.
size of heal 1/2 sq. in.
186/.5=372 lbs. / sq. in.

As for the load on the floor joists. You have a table that weighs 700 lbs. that occupies 32 square feet of floor space. For a live load of........21.875 lbs. per sq. ft.

So if your aunt or mother or girl friend (in high heels) does not plunge through the particle board floor your pool table is far less likely to. And a live load of 22 lbs. / square foot is well within the standards all manufactured homes are built to.

Again talk to a structural engineer or qualified building inspector.
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And if for some reason that particle board gets wet....you're now stuck with a table that fell through the floor. Since you seem to not get the point I'm saying, I'll say it a bit differently. Every single trailer I've worked on, old or new, has had water damaged particle board floors. Every time it's replaced. No if's, and's or but's. It is replaced. Why is it replaced? Because when an 8 year old girl can cause the floor to break, what will an adult do? Hell, what will that pool table do?

Do you also know that the typical trailer is installed with either 8' x trailer width or 6' x trailer width particle board? In this case, the trailer is 16' wide. The last trailer I worked on had 6'x16' particle board over 24" centers. I'd be willing to put a bet down that this trailer in question has the same size boards down. Now if the floor manages to never get wet, then there wont ever be a problem. But I don't live in a dream land. So your math is out the window. Wanna show more math, show the loads the particle board can withhold while wet, or previously was wet. The math will show your aunt falls through then.

OP, you are more than welcome to listen to Greg's advise, but I'm speaking from experience with these floors. Greg is trying to deny my experience because he is 'older and wiser'. We can all listen to whatever the math tells us is the safety rating for XXXX product is, but when my experience tells me that if/when that floor gets wet, you are ****ed. Don't be mad when the table falls through the floor because you listened to Greg, I warned you that particle board is shit.
 
lakeman77 said:
the title of the thread is a C&W song in the making :-)
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And it's looking like a Hatfields & McCoys feud in the making, as well!

-Sean <-- hearing the opening string plucks of the Deliverance title track
 
All I know is if you mess with me, you mess with the whole trailer park.
Also, sometimes my steps blow away

Foxworthy's book is funny
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
OP, you are more than welcome to listen to Greg's advise, but I'm speaking from experience with these floors. Greg is trying to deny my experience because he is 'older and wiser'. We can all listen to whatever the math tells us is the safety rating for XXXX product is, but when my experience tells me that if/when that floor gets wet, you are ****ed. Don't be mad when the table falls through the floor because you listened to Greg, I warned you that particle board is shit.
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You base your entire diagnosis and prescribed solution on the assumption that it is particle board subflooring.
This mobile home is just a few years old.
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This means it could be OSB or plywood subflooring.
Even if it is particle board, water damage needs a source. To get that much water to the feet of the pool table .......well you might be thankful the weight of the pool table is keeping the trailer from being washed away.:wink:
 
i am no expert like every1 else in this topic but my dad owns rental properties and you'd be surprised how many people try to give him their trailer for free because it is cheaper to move them than it is to tear them down! when he gets a new FREE trailer the only thing he does pretty much is replace the floor where it needs it and 1 trailer he had a smaller hole in the floor and just patched it w a piece of metal so in a trailer u really dunno what is under the carpet unless u check!

the last trailer we tore down had 3 or 4 different layers of tile and carpet and w the water damage just a 6x6 piece weighed 200-300 lbs ez so u may already be supporting the equivalent weight of a pool table w nothing there!
 
I replace the inso on trailers 3 or 4 times a month, their are 2 steel beams going down both sides of the trailer about 2 feet in from the out side walls, the problem is the sound!!! The sheet of ply wouldnt hurt, But a barbox would work but you might have to jack up on some shots.

Thanks Rick.
 
gregcantrall said:
You base your entire diagnosis and prescribed solution on the assumption that it is particle board subflooring.
This means it could be OSB or plywood subflooring.
Even if it is particle board, water damage needs a source. To get that much water to the feet of the pool table .......well you might be thankful the weight of the pool table is keeping the trailer from being washed away.:wink:
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Did you miss the part where I said the water lines run right down the center of the trailer? Any fault with those lines and you'll never know it until the table is through the floor. And all it takes is one spilled drink to start the process of degradation of the floor anyway.

Remind me next to write a damn essay about why I'm saying everything. I'll say that within a 99.999999999% certainty that the flooring is particle board. Why do I say that? Because it's ****ing cheap. Does anyone ever buy a trailer/mobile home under the idea that it's built to the same standards as a regular house? Please Greg, just stop responding. It's getting tiresome listening to you. You don't have the experience dealing with this shit like I do, so stop playing devil's adovcate and just go away.
 
rvan said:
I replace the inso on trailers 3 or 4 times a month, their are 2 steel beams going down both sides of the trailer about 2 feet in from the out side walls, the problem is the sound!!! The sheet of ply wouldnt hurt, But a barbox would work but you might have to jack up on some shots.

Thanks Rick.
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That's not the issue. The issue is the joists on top of those beams. Some trailers are standard 16" centers, some are 24" centers. Guess which one is more sturdy? If the table is not sitting on the joists, and the flooring is particle board, any moisture/wetness to that wood, even for 10 minutes can cause failure to start.

If failure does happen, and the table does fall through, you may have way more problems to deal with that its worth. If the table legs catch the water lines or vent, or anything else that mobile home manufacturer put down the center, it could/will damage other parts of the trailer. Imagine the water line getting pulled apart at the bathroom. You thought the living room was going to be bad, well the whole trailer is pretty much destroyed then.

Now this is pretty much only possible with particle board flooring, and I've never seen a trailer that doesn't have particle board flooring. Even OSB suffers the same possible problem, but its harder for OSB to breakdown than particle board. No trailer anywhere would use MDF or Plywood, just that plain and simple.
 
Since one here is all butt hurt that they didn't think of the title "remodel carpenter" first, you should ease up on Greg. He never named you and had no scintilla of an attitude. You got the attitude when he asked you what your qualifications were.

It sounds like you don't want the man to have a pool table in his home.

After all the advice you gave he may want to doze the MH and build a house, LOL.

Greg is welcome to post in this thread.

Money Bag (Kindred Remodel Carpenter) has spoken.

P.S. more Foxworthyisms pls.
Life is too short.

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