can't believe the hypocrisy....yea i can.

[DAVE_M]

While we're on the subject of bumping......I'm surprised that nobody
comments on the guys who have to bump their thread one last time, just to
announce "the cue is sold".
The considerate thing to do is just edit your original post and mark it sold.
I have friends that do it and I never realized how stupid they were until they made the
final "cue is sold" bump.

This is also addressed on other vBulletin forums that I frequent. You can simply go into the advanced post edit and change the thread prefix to SOLD.

vBulletin has settings to allow for thread prefixes created by the Admin/Mods. The forum that I'm speaking of, allows users to use a thread prefix for their W/FS threads. Users can add a WTS, WTT, WTB, SOLD, or NFS thread prefix. When a thread is marked SOLD, a mod can come in behind them and lock the thread. They are not deleted, for iTrader purposes.

There are a thousand features to be used with vBulletin, but AzB is lagging behind... big time.


Edit - Another fix for the "cue is sold" posters, is my first solution to JB. If the threads are defaulted to thread start time, then the OP can post as many times as he/she wants and the thread will not be bumped.

I've mentioned this before, but I don't think the mods or admins care. Honestly, it doesn't seem like much of a problem to them. Using my solutions will make the W/FS better for us, but there is no gain to AzB unless it generated more traffic. The reason it works so well for the other forums, I frequent, is because the W/FS section limits new threads to only be created by paid members. Basic members can post in the threads, but cannot create new threads.

If any of the AzB mods or admins want to see what I'm talking about, send me a PM and I'll show you.

 

[snowmon34]

You never know, I have a lot of cues, anything could happen.
For instance I have a cue for sale right now that at least 4-AZ members know more
about than I do.

While we're on the subject of bumping......I'm surprised that nobody
comments on the guys who have to bump their thread one last time, just to
announce "the cue is sold".
The considerate thing to do is just edit your original post and mark it sold.
I have friends that do it and I never realized how stupid they were until they made the
final "cue is sold" bump.

This has to be the most inconsiderate type of bump..
It serves no purpose other than...

Look at me I sold a cue..
I just sold a cue everybody..
Look at me!!!!!!!!

I think I'm going to start a thread every time I buy a cue....

 

[cuesblues]

This has to be the most inconsiderate type of bump..
It serves no purpose other than...

Look at me I sold a cue..
I just sold a cue everybody..
Look at me!!!!!!!!

I think I'm going to start a thread every time I buy a cue....

Back in the day we did that via the transaction report.
There was a time before the Itrader system when it was common to start your own
thread about a deal, like an individual transaction report.
These days some goody-two-shoes would probably complain about starting a thread,
when we have the Itrader system in place.

 

[DAVE_M]

These days some goody-two-shoes would probably complain about starting a thread,
when we have the Itrader system in place.

You say that, but iTrader only goes so far. iTrader only allows everyone to see a short comment and a positive, nuetral, or negative rating.

iTrader is nice, to see an overall percentage of feedback, but it's not the same when a deal goes South. Usually the bad deal feedback threads end up here in the main forum. We've had two in the past few weeks and they open up conversation and sometimes resolve the conflict.

 

[cuesblues]

You say that, but iTrader only goes so far. iTrader only allows everyone to see a short comment and a positive, nuetral, or negative rating.

iTrader is nice, to see an overall percentage of feedback, but it's not the same when a deal goes South. Usually the bad deal feedback threads end up here in the main forum. We've had two in the past few weeks and they open up conversation and sometimes resolve the conflict.

There are a lot of factors to consider when buying or selling on AZ, even more if you're trading.
Actually I was referencing good deals, and back in the day were a lot of good deal threads.
Some of the good deal threads would turn into one big sick AZ love fest.

The results from the "buyer beware" threads have been excellent, the system works.
Typically people don't start a buyer beware thread until they've tried pretty hard to get it
handled privately, and it's stressful for a lot of guys to go public.
There has several people who have complained prematurely, and once we here both
sides of the story, everything is fine.

 

[DAVE_M]

There are a lot of factors to consider when buying or selling on AZ, even more if you're trading.
Actually I was referencing good deals, and back in the day were a lot of good deal threads.
Some of the good deal threads would turn into one big sick AZ love fest.

The results from the "buyer beware" threads have been excellent, the system works.
Typically people don't start a buyer beware thread until they've tried pretty hard to get it
handled privately, and it's stressful for a lot of guys to go public.
There has several people who have complained prematurely, and once we here both
sides of the story, everything is fine.

I'll pass on the love fest lol

The #1 forum, that I frequent, has the iTrader system in place and a sub forum called "FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!" and it is full of good deal and bad deal threads. Including threads related to customer service, warranties, and communication.

I won't name the forum, because I don't think posting about other forums is kosher on AzB, but they have everything down to a science. Granted, they aren't pool related, but they are pretty large:

Threads 1,049,260 Posts 13,039,585 Members 254,592
vs AzB
Threads: 373,830, Posts: 4,855,708, Members: 48,804

 

[HereWeGo]

There should be a setting within vBulletin that only allows the OP to respond in their thread. That would force everything else to be handled by PM and allow for easy bump enforcement.

 

[cuesblues]

I'll pass on the love fest lol

The #1 forum, that I frequent, has the iTrader system in place and a sub forum called "FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!" and it is full of good deal and bad deal threads. Including threads related to customer service, warranties, and communication.

I won't name the forum, because I don't think posting about other forums is kosher on AzB, but they have everything down to a science. Granted, they aren't pool related, but they are pretty large:

Threads 1,049,260 Posts 13,039,585 Members 254,592
vs AzB
Threads: 373,830, Posts: 4,855,708, Members: 48,804

You would of liked the love fest I started the time Jay Helfert offered me a free cue.
Jay did it privately, but I went public.
What a big sick touchy feely deal that one turned out to be.

I joined a few big gun forums, with an ISP email requirement, gold membership to sell,
probationary period, and they are very boring.
Most of the galleries and for sale sub-forums are dead, even with thousands of people
on at any given time.
After you navigate through all these stupid sub-forms and you see where people are
hanging out, it is all the most lame BS I've ever seen, way worse than our NPR.
Same thing, guys with 25,000-50,0000 posts, and the only way I can describe it is lame.
As forums go AZ is pretty good, but they should require a gold membership to sell here.

 

[JB Cases]

There are two solutions to this:

1. Change the "Sorted By" Default Option from "Last Post Time" to "Thread Start Time"
- Only the newest thread will be at the top and the older threads will be pushed to the back.

2. Change W/FS thread format to only allow the OP to post and bump.
- Vbulletin has defaults to only allow a person to bump after X number of hours.
- The rule states that questions and replies should be communicated via PM anyway.

I frequent other forums, that pertain to things other than pool, with these formats. They work very well.



How you interpret the rule means nothing to me. The rule says "all questions and replies," it does not mention the OP or another user. It would be silly for the OP to be asking questions, no wouldn't it?

I interpret the rule as it can be practically applied. You can't practically enforce no bumping rule if you intend to apply it to every post by every member. So the intent is clear the op may not bump inside 48 hours.

 

[JB Cases]

I edit the first line with SOLD do that mouseover previews will let the viewer know it is gone.

 

[DAVE_M]

There should be a setting within vBulletin that only allows the OP to respond in their thread. That would force everything else to be handled by PM and allow for easy bump enforcement.

There is a setting/plug-in for it. I've mentioned it earlier in this thread.

As forums go AZ is pretty good, but they should require a gold membership to sell here.

I've said that from the beginning. Even if it becomes full of threads, it creates revenue for AzB.

I interpret the rule as it can be practically applied. You can't practically enforce no bumping rule if you intend to apply it to every post by every member. So the intent is clear the op may not bump inside 48 hours.

Of course it can't practically be enforced, that's why the threads should be limited to the OP only. There is also a setting/plug-in that allows the OP to "bump" by clicking a button, rather than replying to the thread.


This is my suggestion to AzB, albeit a time consuming effort:

- Add the plug-in that allows the OP to bump their thread every 24-48 hours by clicking a button.
- Change the Sort-By default to thread start time. This way only the newest threads are at the top.

I don't think many members understand what "bumping" actually is. Bumping is a reply to a thread, with the intention of having the thread bumped up to the top of the first page. When the default is set to show threads with the newest posts, then bumping is effective. Change the default to thread start time and bumping no longer is effective.

Then add the plug-in to bump by the click of a button and the thread will not have XX number of replies stating "bump" or "ttt." This will keep the thread clean and allow for other users to ask questions and reply that the beautiful cue plays lights out all they want.

If I haven't made my point by now, I'm wasting my breath. I don't know how else to explain the solution with it actually being put into effect.

 

[HereWeGo]

The second quote wasn't me but I do agree with the statement. I believe that was a cuesblues original.

There is a setting/plug-in for it. I've mentioned it earlier in this thread.



I've said that from the beginning. Even if it becomes full of threads, it creates revenue for AzB.

 

[DAVE_M]

The second quote wasn't me but I do agree with the statement. I believe that was a cuesblues original.

It was, I must have goofed something up by quoting multiple posts.

 

[alstl]

Nowhere does it mention anything about the OP. Replies can be from anyone. If it does not pertain to the actual sale of the cue, then it is bumping. Read the rules.

11) Over-active bumping is not allowed. If most of the replies to your post are bumps that is overactive bumping. Anything more than a single bump in any 48-hour period is over-bumping.

13) All Questions and replies to questions should be done via PM and not in the sales thread. It will be considered a bump to do so. ( Dave Wilson )

I see the same four/five users, going in and posting about the OP's cue that plays lights out, the cuemaker is God, or that the cue is beautiful. The problem is enforcing the rules. I don't blame the moderators, though, it's tough to keep track of the amount of traffic in the W/FS subforum. The same people keep bumping threads, the same people should get a vacation from AzB.

This is a prime example:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=373460

When I was younger I had overactive bumping syndrome. Those were the days.