Captain wont share scoresheet or info on opponent

[KRJ]

Ok, I was not going to help, but it's what I do

Here is what you do, and do it precisely as I have advised.

When the captain screams you are "up"... grab your cue, and lag for the break (if that is what you do) Then after the lag or flip, win or lose, walk right over to your captain and ask him, point blank, no smile, and say this;

I want to know my opponents skill level, and I'm in no mood for any antics.

When he does not give it to you (because he won't, cause he's a dbag), then smile, and say, well, I always wanted to practice my left handed shooting, might as well be tonight. Then turn away and get ready to play (left handed of course) I'm assuming you are righty.. if not, shoot righty

And just do that. If he asks you wtf are you doing, say, hey, you wanna play mind games, well welcome to my world.

Then tell him your last game you're gonna shoot one handed. Remember, he already threw you up to play, he CANNOT pull you out at this time. You control him at this point !!

So, then say in a firm, but NOT loud voice; I'm gonna ask you one more time, and I'm not gonna ask a third time. WHAT THE FCK IS THE SKILL LEVEL OF MY OPPONENT?

If he even hesitates for even more than a second...... tell him "FU", turn around and play the entire match opposite handed, and when the your opponent gets on the hill, play that last game one handed.

Then when you lose, ask him if he really wants to keep playing mind games with you ? What do you have to lose? So he kicks you off the team, but you go out in style, doing it your way, and letting everyone on both teams know what a dbag this capt is !!!

oh, and you're welcome

 

[KRJ]

Your captain is the head cheerleader. You're upset because she won't tell you which boy is going to be holding you up at halftime at the next football game. Did I get it right?

You're worrying about crap that doesn't really affect how you play the game. If you really NEED to know the skill level of your opponent, I'd be inclined to say you're doing a mindjob on yourself at league. Just play the table. Pool isn't a game where winning or losing depends on how good your opponent is. It's all on how you decide to play THE TABLE. The table isn't assigned a skill level, is it?

So, about how long have you been a team captain ??

 

[justadub]

This whole thing is effing stupid.

There are people who play league and take it seriously, all the while still having fun. I know, cuz I'm the captain of just such a team. I'm quite sure that I'm not the only one. Hell, most of the teams in our division fit this description. (Yes, we do have a few knuckleheads, but no one near what the OP has to deal with.)

Print your own scoresheet or use the national website on your phone, if you have a smartphone. Ignore the moron for the rest of the session, then move on, to a team where you will be happy.

League is supposed to be a good time. Don't let any moron spoil it for you.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

So, about how long have you been a team captain ??

I wouldn't need to burden my team captain with trivial crap like this. If he wouldn't answer my question, I'd just ask my opponent....or his captain, "what's the race?".

Too many freaking high school drama queens in leagues. It's why I quit league a few years ago. This thread is proof of pool eating itself.

 

[JBB2388]

This would normally be correct except in a situation where the handicaps can influence your strategy. I know I play different depending on whether I think someone can run a few balls or run out or if they'll have a hard time running 2. In that sense I don't think you can treat every opponent exactly the same.

^^^This.

Doesn't matter who you are or how you play. More information is always better than less. If I'm playing a SL3 who can't run more than 2 balls to save his life, this will definitely change the way I play the match. Granted I will probably know how good my opponent is before too long but this doesn't change the fact that this guy sounds like a complete d**k and you should find another team to play on. Or start your own.

 

[KRJ]

I wouldn't need to burden my team captain with trivial crap like this. If he wouldn't answer my question, I'd just ask my opponent....or his captain, "what's the race?".

Too many freaking high school drama queens in leagues. It's why I quit league a few years ago. This thread is proof of pool eating itself.

At this point, it is not about the "race", it's about telling dbag capt how it's going to be going forward, and when he asks something, he expects an answer, ya know, like a human being. So, no, I would NOT ask my opponent because my own teammate wants to treat me like a 3 year old....

 

[voiceofreason]

Hi I have been playing in a 9 ball league for the last two years. I moved and joined team closer to my house 6 months ago. Im trying to figure out how to handle this situation, Ill just tell you what happened.

Its time for me to shoot so I grab my cue and ask the Captain what skill level is he? He answers just shoot, you don't need to know. I shoot because the other guy is waiting to get started. So I come back and try to look at the sheet and he grabs it and says why do you need to know, just shoot. I told him the more I know about the opponent the better, that's way I was taught playing all sports since I was 5 years old. This crap has been going on since I started playing with this team.

Ive been in the league almost 2 years and Im a 4 skill level, hes been in the league for 19 years and he is a 4 skill level. I don't shoot nearly as well as I do on my other team because this Captain likes to play childish power and control games. He wonders why I often beat higher skill levels on my other team he is not a part of and then lose to same skill level players on his team. I told him this is my recreation and I come to win and have fun. He tells me its not about recreation its all about winning. If the rest of the guys weren't cool I would just leave the team. Guys on my other team have left his team because they say if I wanted to argue they would of stayed home with their wives. Any suggestion would be great. I like rest of the guys on the team and the bar which is why Im trying to figure out how cut out the crap. Thanks for any suggestions and advice.

Change teams - you are wasting valuable hours of your life..

 

[metallicane]

I'd tell the captain to suck it. Life is too short to play pool with a captain that's a total moron. JMHO

Life is too short to deal with that. Move on.

 

[Manoman2444]

Ok, I was not going to help, but it's what I do

Here is what you do, and do it precisely as I have advised.

When the captain screams you are "up"... grab your cue, and lag for the break (if that is what you do) Then after the lag or flip, win or lose, walk right over to your captain and ask him, point blank, no smile, and say this;

I want to know my opponents skill level, and I'm in no mood for any antics.

When he does not give it to you (because he won't, cause he's a dbag), then smile, and say, well, I always wanted to practice my left handed shooting, might as well be tonight. Then turn away and get ready to play (left handed of course) I'm assuming you are righty.. if not, shoot righty

And just do that. If he asks you wtf are you doing, say, hey, you wanna play mind games, well welcome to my world.

Then tell him your last game you're gonna shoot one handed. Remember, he already threw you up to play, he CANNOT pull you out at this time. You control him at this point !!

So, then say in a firm, but NOT loud voice; I'm gonna ask you one more time, and I'm not gonna ask a third time. WHAT THE FCK IS THE SKILL LEVEL OF MY OPPONENT?

If he even hesitates for even more than a second...... tell him "FU", turn around and play the entire match opposite handed, and when the your opponent gets on the hill, play that last game one handed.

Then when you lose, ask him if he really wants to keep playing mind games with you ? What do you have to lose? So he kicks you off the team, but you go out in style, doing it your way, and letting everyone on both teams know what a dbag this capt is !!!

oh, and you're welcome

Great answer here folks!!!!

 

[pletho]

19 years and a skill level 4...lol what did i just read?

No desire to improve is all I can say..............

 

[Matt]

...I do tighten up and play more conservative vs. tougher opponents.
Duck in situations where I normally shoot.
I'd like to think that whatever choices I'd make vs. SVB, would also let me win vs. some random APA4.
But maybe it's backwards. Maybe my only hope vs. SVB is aggression and if I safe carefully vs. the APA4 he'll just shit something in more often.

If you are only playing opponents of B speed (which usually equates to an APA 7/9) or above, the strategy doesn't change much from one opponent to another because all of your opponents have similar capabilities that just vary in consistency. Like you said, you might try to play more aggressively if you're hoping to pull off an upset and accept the risk of getting blown out if you fail to execute, but otherwise, the right shot against SVB will still be the right shot against an A player.

However, when you get down into the APA ranks, your opponents are going to have significant weaknesses in their game that you can take advantage of to improve your chances of winning. In particular, a weak defensive shot becomes a viable option to a tough offensive shot if you know that your opponent is likely going to give you BIH and is very unlikely to come with a shot or return defense. Being able to play that sort of conservative game is almost essential if you are only a B player but might have to give up 7-2 (8 ball) or 75-14 (9-ball) spots if your opponent throws off on you. Those can be tough races if you are prone to an occasional scratch on the 8 or rattle a ball every few racks of 9 ball.

 

[TheNewSharkster]

I wouldn't need to burden my team captain with trivial crap like this. If he wouldn't answer my question, I'd just ask my opponent....or his captain, "what's the race?".

Too many freaking high school drama queens in leagues. It's why I quit league a few years ago. This thread is proof of pool eating itself.

You are completely ridiculous. If a captain refuses to share the score sheet during league who is being the drama queen? The person who wants to see it or the person who hides it like a little child?

You have chastised people for posting about this on a pool related forum. If this isn't the right place to ask for opinion what is? Remember, you are also here posting about this. Doesn't that make you as much of a "drama queen" as the next.

Assholes will be assholes. They are not exclusive to pool league. At least, since you don't play league anymore, it means one less jerk to deal with.

 

[cammel8]

Hi I have been playing in a 9 ball league for the last two years. I moved and joined team closer to my house 6 months ago. Im trying to figure out how to handle this situation, Ill just tell you what happened.

Its time for me to shoot so I grab my cue and ask the Captain what skill level is he? He answers just shoot, you don't need to know. I shoot because the other guy is waiting to get started. So I come back and try to look at the sheet and he grabs it and says why do you need to know, just shoot. I told him the more I know about the opponent the better, that's way I was taught playing all sports since I was 5 years old. This crap has been going on since I started playing with this team.

Ive been in the league almost 2 years and Im a 4 skill level, hes been in the league for 19 years and he is a 4 skill level. I don't shoot nearly as well as I do on my other team because this Captain likes to play childish power and control games. He wonders why I often beat higher skill levels on my other team he is not a part of and then lose to same skill level players on his team. I told him this is my recreation and I come to win and have fun. He tells me its not about recreation its all about winning. If the rest of the guys weren't cool I would just leave the team. Guys on my other team have left his team because they say if I wanted to argue they would of stayed home with their wives. Any suggestion would be great. I like rest of the guys on the team and the bar which is why Im trying to figure out how cut out the crap. Thanks for any suggestions and advice.

I agree with another person on this thread that you should play the table not the person, however; not knowing your opponent is setting yourself up for failure. Now i dont know what league you are on, however, APA and most others have a rule in place that the captain can be voted out as captain at any time. Next time he starts this not allowing you to know whio you are playing call for a vote to replace him as captain for someone that is more user friendly. I would not suggest you recomend yourself for the position as you will look controling but if you were to say I formally request a vote to vote the captain out and co captain is as captain, even if you lose you still get your point across that even though he is captain, it is the players that control his fate as captain.

 

[sixpack]

^^^what he said

I wouldn't put up with it, but I might also tank a match just to piss him off. When you lose 4 games straight and don't make a ball, then lose, tell him you were just playing with the opponent because you thought he was a 15 skill level (I know there isn't a 15 in APA) and thought you had more time.

I would talk to the other teammates and see what their opinion of the captain is. If they don't care for him either, then create a mutiny like others have suggested.

Anyone who is a 4 and has been playing for 18 years and only cares about winning is an idiot. Anyone who is a 4 and has been playing for 18 years should take up golf.

Have fun and tell him to go #!@#$ himself.

Just my opinion!

NOOOOOO! I don't want some helpless uber competitive guy on the course in front of me! Can you imagine that guy spending 3 full minutes studying the break on his chip shot only to blade it over the green?! Bright side I guess is that he might end up with a golf club wrapped around his neck...

 

[bigshooter]

If you want to know he should tell you. Nothing wrong with knowing the strength of your opponent. I personally would not care since I play everyone assuming they can run out if I give them an open shot. This mindset works for me.
Its your game and your match and your money.

 

[justadub]

If you are only playing opponents of B speed (which usually equates to an APA 7/9) or above, the strategy doesn't change much from one opponent to another because all of your opponents have similar capabilities that just vary in consistency. Like you said, you might try to play more aggressively if you're hoping to pull off an upset and accept the risk of getting blown out if you fail to execute, but otherwise, the right shot against SVB will still be the right shot against an A player.

However, when you get down into the APA ranks, your opponents are going to have significant weaknesses in their game that you can take advantage of to improve your chances of winning. In particular, a weak defensive shot becomes a viable option to a tough offensive shot if you know that your opponent is likely going to give you BIH and is very unlikely to come with a shot or return defense. Being able to play that sort of conservative game is almost essential if you are only a B player but might have to give up 7-2 (8 ball) or 75-14 (9-ball) spots if your opponent throws off on you. Those can be tough races if you are prone to an occasional scratch on the 8 or rattle a ball every few racks of 9 ball.

There is a great deal of truth in this. Take me, for example. I'm SL5. I can hang with the other 5's in our division, but in my opinion, most are just a touch stronger than me. With these players, I break using the second row break, as it doesn't usually open the table up for an easier out. It will take more work, and give me more safety opportunities, which are in my favor.

Against most 4's or lower, I will try to open the table up, as I will likely have an advantage in running more than them.

There are more examples, of course, and there are exceptions too. But knowledge is power. Having to play your match blind is simply silly. If your opponent only needs one win to get on the hill, you might not take some risks that might seem reasonable in a longer race.

 

[KRJ]

There is a great deal of truth in this. Take me, for example. I'm SL5. I can hang with the other 5's in our division, but in my opinion, most are just a touch stronger than me. With these players, I break using the second row break, as it doesn't usually open the table up for an easier out. It will take more work, and give me more safety opportunities, which are in my favor.

Against most 4's or lower, I will try to open the table up, as I will likely have an advantage in running more than them.

There are more examples, of course, and there are exceptions too. But knowledge is power. Having to play your match blind is simply silly. If your opponent only needs one win to get on the hill, you might not take some risks that might seem reasonable in a longer race.

that makes too much sense... be ready for the "table" brigade to show up and tell you how they play the table, not the person

 

[jmeier1981]

To be honest he's sort of right.
He's just trying to make a point and it's a good one -

If you're thinking about anything except the shot in front of you, you're just sharking yourself.

Pool is pool, you can't compare it directly to every other sport.
It's not like chess or boxing where you need to read the opponent's moves
and learn all about them. Once their turn is over, they're not relevant.

You're simply playing the table and making decisions based on your skills,
not their skills.

All that being said, your captain sounds like kind of an ass.
Sometimes being nice to other people is more important than being right.

I hate to disagree but knowing your opponents skill level or ball count should make a difference in how you play your game...
It should help you decide if you should try and run out a marginal table or if and when to play a safety. If youre playing an APA 9ball league that runs off of ball count and not games it makes a big difference in how the game should be played especially if you or your opponent is close to hitting there ball count. Or if you only need one more ball its good to know so you just try to make that ball and not potentially miss trying to get shaoe on the next shot... Knkwing where you and your opponent stand is huge and a big part of strategy, maybe he doesnt tell you because hes not to the level yet that he can actually put a strategy together or maybe he thinks it will play mind games with you but not knowing and being treated like hes treating you can have just as much or more bad side effects.
Me personally I would just tell the captain if hes not willing to communicate and work with you to not bother throwing you and to play someone else.

 

[cbrand]

My captains won't tell me the score, they say I'm playing the table. The only time I'm playing an opponent is if one of us plays a safety. But I know every player in our small league down to every detail of how they play. So there is no need to hide skill level info. However, if the situation was different I'm sure they would.

 

[KRJ]

I hate to disagree but knowing your opponents skill level or ball count should make a difference in how you play your game...
It should help you decide if you should try and run out a marginal table or if and when to play a safety. If youre playing an APA 9ball league that runs off of ball count and not games it makes a big difference in how the game should be played especially if you or your opponent is close to hitting there ball count. Or if you only need one more ball its good to know so you just try to make that ball and not potentially miss trying to get shaoe on the next shot... Knkwing where you and your opponent stand is huge and a big part of strategy, maybe he doesnt tell you because hes not to the level yet that he can actually put a strategy together or maybe he thinks it will play mind games with you but not knowing and being treated like hes treating you can have just as much or more bad side effects.
Me personally I would just tell the captain if hes not willing to communicate and work with you to not bother throwing you and to play someone else.

Exactly.
Like playing a lock up safety behind a cluster against a 7, or a safety that gives your opponent a full look at his ball, but he's frozen solid on the short rail, but your playing an apa 3. hmmmmm, nope, don't need to know who I'm playing when I decide to play a safety at all

And doesn't apa have some rule about who can jump a ball and who cannot. Useful info when playing a safety against someone, especially when the cb is behind the blocker a few ball lengths away.... but again,,, I guess we should just play the table and not worry about if someone is gonnna brk out the jump cue ???