Carbon Fiber Shafts should be Banned

[MitchAlsup]

On top of that, set an industry standard for table and pocket size, cloth etc.... but, let people play with whatever cue they choose to as long as it doesn't break current weight and length rules.

So, let's say one organization did choose a particular pocket size:: say 4.25±0.05 !!

What do you do with the 95% of the tables worldwide that do not currently fit you choice of size ?
a) ban them ?
b) destroy them (at great $$$) ?
c) don't allow tournaments on them ?
or
d) run the owners out of business ?

 

[MitchAlsup]

Masse shots are what hammers the cloth, not so much jump shots when you know how to play. The burn marks go away over time.

The kind of break required in 9-ball destroys more cloth than all of the required massé shots combined.

 

[Fatboy]

The kind of break required in 9-ball destroys more cloth than all of the required massé shots combined.

I ever had that kind of break, but yes I’ve seen new cloth destroyed fast with the 9B break.

 

[DeeDeeCues]

Occasionally we suffer a plague of overabundance, like when New Coke came out - there were already more than enough flavors of Coke - one flavor, but then they replaced the old flavor with an updated flavor, and almost everyone now agrees that this was in poor taste.

I was just watching snooker, and the simple elegance of the presentation of the table, equipment, etc. is striking. And the sounds - the sounds are so important, and they sound best knowing that they were made by wood and leather.

Carbon fiber may or may not provide an advantage, but I'd say that in a spectator sport context, wood is a better choice than carbon fiber because it looks and sounds a certain way that most onlookers seem to naturally enjoy more than the looks and sounds of carbon fiber.

As for just playing pool without any audience, I suppose it's a free country, or at least it should be. I think one can still buy New Coke some places, and I've seen a lot of cheap titanium pool cues being sold second-hand, if such things suit one's taste.

New Coke was the biggest stroke of advertising genius the world has ever seen outside of religion.

Coca cola knew exactly what they were doing. Change an iconic product. Sell a bunch of the new product. Discontinue iconic product. Let the public outcry build. Reintroduce iconic product. Make tons of money.

Signed, sealed, delivered.

 

[Fatboy]

New Coke was the biggest stroke of advertising genius the world has ever seen outside of religion.

Coca cola knew exactly what they were doing. Change an iconic product. Sell a bunch of the new product. Discontinue iconic product. Let the public outcry build. Reintroduce iconic product. Make tons of money.

Signed, sealed, delivered.

It was shit on top of what you said.

We all missed regular coke, they took it away. Which is the strongest tactic in marketing and let the people beg.

Was brilliant.

Clear Pepsi is different topic.

Best
Fatboy<———loves Mountain Dew but rarely drinks it.

 

[DeeDeeCues]

It was shit on top of what you said.

We all missed regular coke, they took it away. Which is the strongest tactic in marketing and let the people beg.

Was brilliant.

Clear Pepsi is different topic.

Best
Fatboy<———loves Mountain Dew but rarely drinks it.

Yeah, they created their own shortage and looked like heroes by reversing it.

 

[Fatboy]

Yeah, they created their own shortage and looked like heroes by reversing it.

Sounds like a couple cue makers I know……

 

[Minnesota Phat]

New Coke was the biggest stroke of advertising genius the world has ever seen outside of religion.

Coca cola knew exactly what they were doing. Change an iconic product. Sell a bunch of the new product. Discontinue iconic product. Let the public outcry build. Reintroduce iconic product. Make tons of money.

Signed, sealed, delivered.

I agree that reintroducing the old product was a good idea.

Similarly, the billiards industry should re-introduce real wood pool cues, and get rid of New Cues. Perhaps there can still be "high tech" tournaments where all the new equipment is allowed, so that people who invested a bunch of money in all the gimmicky equipment don't feel like they were bit too hard.

It wasn't New Coke that helped Coca Cola - it was getting rid of New Coke that helped Coca Cola.

 

[MajorMiscue]

It wasn't New Coke that helped Coca Cola - it was getting rid of New Coke that helped Coca Cola.

That's because, unlike cf shafts, New Coke wasn't as good as the original.

 

[rharm]

Yeah it's really awesome for young people to have to spend a ton of money just to have a pool cue that can equal the performance of what serious players have, especially when there's a culture of betting, so that losing is not only an ego-bruiser, but a money-sucker. Most younger people can't even afford all this crap.

That's a great way to keep the game alive - stack the deck 50 feet high in favor of experienced players against anyone who has the temerity to take an interest in getting serious about playing pool.

I swear that American billiards is actively trying to kill itself.

You can get a new cue with a carbon shaft for just over $300. If you can't afford that, maybe you shouldn't be betting. Also, a carbon shaft is not necessary to compete with the serious players, there are many people winning tournaments with wood shafts.

 

[MajorMiscue]

You can get a new cue with a carbon shaft for just over $300. If you can't afford that, maybe you shouldn't be betting. Also, a carbon shaft is not necessary to compete with the serious players, there are many people winning tournaments with wood shafts.

And think of all the old maple cues looking for a new home.

 

[phreaticus]

You can get a new cue with a carbon shaft for just over $300. If you can't afford that, maybe you shouldn't be betting. Also, a carbon shaft is not necessary to compete with the serious players, there are many people winning tournaments with wood shafts.

Exactly. This entire thread is ridiculous, the OP must not play pool in the real world or is just generally detached from reality. Aside from affordable CF cues, one can get a quality traditional maple sneaky pete delivered to your door off Amazon for sub $75 - in reality, access to traditional, simple wood pool cues has gotten much easier and better for new enthusiasts entering the game. Should we also ban any of the high end cues/shafts that have been available for the last 50 years and force all new players to play with 1 pc house sticks?

 

[buckshotshoey]

I agree that reintroducing the old product was a good idea.

Similarly, the billiards industry should re-introduce real wood pool cues, and get rid of New Cues. Perhaps there can still be "high tech" tournaments where all the new equipment is allowed, so that people who invested a bunch of money in all the gimmicky equipment don't feel like they were bit too hard.

It wasn't New Coke that helped Coca Cola - it was getting rid of New Coke that helped Coca Cola.

Dude.... you need to live and let live. If you dont like composite cues, don't own one. Many others like them. They are not going anywhere. Get used to it.

What do you mean re-introduce wood? They haven't went anywhere. They are not going anywhere.

 

[rharm]

I agree that reintroducing the old product was a good idea.

Similarly, the billiards industry should re-introduce real wood pool cues, and get rid of New Cues. Perhaps there can still be "high tech" tournaments where all the new equipment is allowed, so that people who invested a bunch of money in all the gimmicky equipment don't feel like they were bit too hard.

It wasn't New Coke that helped Coca Cola - it was getting rid of New Coke that helped Coca Cola.

You seem to be undecided on carbon cues - in 1 post you call them "gimmicky" and then in another say they perform better and are needed to compete

 

[Minnesota Phat]

You can get a new cue with a carbon shaft for just over $300. If you can't afford that, maybe you shouldn't be betting. Also, a carbon shaft is not necessary to compete with the serious players, there are many people winning tournaments with wood shafts.

If carbon fiber shafts don't provide an advantage, then they're pointless, so there will be no harm in eliminating them, and it will save people from wasting money. If they do provide an advantage, then my point stands.

$300 is just for the shaft, and young people are lower-income than anyone else. Someone scraping by on $8.00/hour or student loans can't necessarily shell out an extra $300 - they often can't even afford dental care, a car, or an apartment.

 

[Minnesota Phat]

You seem to be undecided on carbon cues - in 1 post you call them "gimmicky" and then in another say they perform better and are needed to compete

The gimmick is the idea that any cue that makes the game easier for the person using that cue also makes the game better.

 

[coolidge]

I just purchased a Predator CF cue and break cue, loving them vs my wood cue and break cue. I'll never go back to wood.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Wow almost 400 post and people are still fusing about Carbon or no Carbon.

Wonder who is behind Carbon? Tree Hugging hippie members of Earth First, and Sierrra Club?

 

[MajorMiscue]

Wow almost 400 post and people are still fusing about Carbon or no Carbon.

Wonder who is behind Carbon? Tree Hugging hippie members of Earth First, and Sierrra Club?

Awesome, huh?

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Awesome, huh?

Past point of dumb obsessive over nothing.

Pool is like most thing skillful competitor is consistent person in money.

Cue, Shaft, Tip I’d just tool that need craftsmen to use to full potential.