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Carbon Fiber Shafts should be Banned
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I never said they weren't different. What I basically said WHO CARES? I am at an 8 ball World Qualifier right now. I have a Predator and a Viking. Using the Viking today and playing well. Some days i play better with the LD 314-2. Why would you give a rats ass what I'm using? I didnt see the requirement where I had to ask anyones permission on what shaft I use.
I'm playing better with standard shaft today. If I start to struggle, I'll use the 314... no matter what your opinion on it is. It matters to me, not.
As for snooker, jumping the ball is ridiculously easy. The slate is extremely thick and the cloth is thick as well. The ball is small and light weight. You don't even need a jump cue, though you might need a bodyguard if you try it in a local pool hall.I play with a 314 shaft. With a water Buffalo tip, and now with this Techno-dud, I can jump decently with my full cue. I can’t hop a whole ball though... at least not yet.
I’ve smoked a few half (or less) ball jumps playing BB 8 ball the past few weeks. Knowing you have that option makes it easier to play for tight window shape and opens some doors.
For some reason I feel like the jump cue should only be used in nine ball. I see that as normal, but if someone pulls one out in 8ball or any other game (1P...can you imagine?) it just seems so out of place.
My cynergy shaft with a hard tip seems to jump better than the 314 but I don’t like the feel for regular shots. I’m sure there’s a shaft out there somewhere that is perfect for me...I must needs find it before it is too late.
Imagine Neil Robertson being left snookered behind the green. He walks to the table and assesses, he shakes his head, he walks back to his chair and pulls from his case a carbon fiber jump cue. He screws it together, then unscrews a 6” section from the butt. He approaches the table and lines up, jacks his arm way up and powers down onto that miniature cue ball that they use. With a bang the white flies into the air and lands a few feet in front of the reds, bounces a few times, then crashes into them in an uncontrolled and noisy manner. It just doesn’t seem right, almost as if a S assault had occurred in front of the audience.
What am I on about? Idk. I’m just digesting my breakfast and working on a Marlboro red. Coffee in hand
Efren played with a loose grip, hard tip and probably a hard ferrule. The sound was miked up tremendously as well. In spite of that, the sound wasn't as bad as one could expect. When he hit the ball solidly, the cue put out an almost melodious sound. The bad hits sounded bad, as would be expected, but I could hear no buzzes or rattles. Really, you want a hard tip or at most medium tip for the important matches. It will give predictable action at all speeds and consistent cue ball control. Efren knows this.Based on your gut feeling. I know you didn't poll the majority of pool "onlookers" to determine their preference. My son has a Skylar Woodward Meucci with a curly maple forearm and grey stained splices. This cue except with grey Italian lizard wrap and a Meucci carbon Pro shaft.
I'm biased but the combination looks awesome to me. He loves it and tries to beat me with it. The nerve. I would bet you couldn't tell the sound of a good carbon shaft impacting the cue ball from a maple shaft. There is no hollow "ping" like the first Revos. That was a dealbreaker for me.
Want to hear an ugly sounding cue? Find the King of the Hill 8b match between Efren and Mike Sigel. listen to Efren's cue.
Put a hard tip on a Revo, hold the cue as softly as Efren, then mike the sound up...It would be horrible, ear shattering noise. It's laughable, really, how some people go on and on about "energy transfer" and then put a marshmallow on the end of their engineered, stiff as steel shafts... So you're putting on a tip that will compress significantly, onto a shaft that supposedly is engineered and priced into the stratosphere to not do that exact thing...Meh, to each their own, I guess.
C. No sanctioned tournaments to be played, or if they were allowed to be played, they must have special permission to do so.
Minnesota Phat
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So would you support removing all equipment restrictions from all billiards competitions?
If some restrictions are OK, then it's a matter of which ones help the game, and which ones hurt the game.
If you don't care about my opinion, then it's odd that you are commenting about it so aggressively.
I care about it because I like pool, and want to see the game thrive, prosper, look good, and sound good. I don't want new players to feel like they have to buy $1,000 in equipment just to compete on a level playing field, or at the very least I'd like there to be some tournaments where players who don't have mega-bucks equipment can compete on a level playing field.
It feels to me like some players have the equivalent of corked bats, and others don't, and the only difference is $$$. I get that golf is an elitist type of sport, but is pool elitist too? If it is, I don't think that's a good thing. Your opinion may differ.
Rum and Pepsi is the end of the world…..
Have you seen the price of some of the good standard shafts out there? There is not that big a difference. No matter what shaft you choose, you still have to have the stroke to use it. Just buying a low deflection shaft isn't going to make you any better than anybody else. That's the part you don't understand. You still have to learn to use the equipment.
Minnesota Phat
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I might "get it" a little more than you know. I do have an 11.8mm Phoenix III shaft, so I know a little about the differences.
Switching between that shaft and a standard shaft, there is a HUGE difference. The Phoenix has almost no deflection - my 1950(ish) Master Stroke, which probably was at least influenced by Herman Rambow, is a totally different animal, and I think the shaft is quite well-made.
I agree that you have to learn to use the equipment - I'm not good at pool, but I'm very good at hitting baseballs. If you took some guy off the street and gave him the absolute best baseball bat, he couldn't make contact with a fastball or a curve ball, so I'd outperform him even if I was swinging a tree branch. But that doesn't mean that a tree branch is as good as an aluminum baseball bat.
If I was matched up in a hitting contest against someone of similar skill, they'd destroy me if they got to use an aluminum bat, and I had to use an old ash bat.
I prefer wood bats, not because they perform better, but because they look and sound better. Does that make sense?
I'd be even more in favor of wood if aluminum bats were expensive, and wood bats were cheap.
sound better
Minnesota Phat
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Incidentally, if I was matched up in a hitting contest against someone who was just learning how to hit a baseball, I'd let him use the aluminum bat, and I'd use the less-effective bat. I wouldn't bring my own aluminum bat and make him use a wooden bat, which is effectively what happens when some dude who has been playing pool for decades is using a carbon-fiber or LD shaft against some poor kid with a house cue.
Remember that wood shafts smaller than 11mm are ALSO LD would make it difficult to ban LD shafts.........
And also one could take a HD (high deflection) shaft, remove the tip drill through the tenon and into the shaft and make a LD shaft that is not visibly different than its HD starting point.
Minnesota Phat
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True, but then you run into compromises, as shafts smaller than 11mm are also very unforgiving of off-center hits.
I would X-ray them, and anyone caught cheating would be tarred and feathered on livestream, which would probably prevent would-be cheaters from attempting it in the future.
From what I've read Efren uses an Elk Master tip. I believe they are rated soft but I could be wrong.
And you would make sure there is an xray machine at every tournament? What an Unbelievable load of crap.
you're either joking or you're an idiot.
I see this thread has jumped the shark.
DeeDeeCues
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Huh. I thought pool was fundamentally shooting balls into pockets. What is it now that ld has fundamentally changed it?
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These two sound like the same person with two screen names, DONT they?
maybe you should report.