CBSA - Questions?
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Brutal!
Being in control as long as you have could you explain why 2 players out of dress code allowed to flip a coin then play on a barbox table to decide who advances at the canadian championships where everybody else were on 9 footers,how was this fair for any of the other competitors and why was it kept so hush hush from the other players?Disgraceful in my opinion!
Fair Question
The Canadians have to be after the Provinces are done with their rankings & other quailifiers. Most are done by early May.
May not a good month to hold them because too many are in Vegas. In 2004 & 2005 in Montreal they were held the end of June. In 2006, the year they were suppose to be in AB, we were late getting them organized, so held them in August in Markum, ON. In 2007, the Nationals were part of the SuperEx in Ottawa, so CBSA had to go with their Aug. dates.
In 2008, CBSA were also late in getting them organized, so stayed in Aug. This year CBSA were not late in getting organized, so did not have to be as late in the summer as it was.
In 2010, the plans are to have them at the end of June, and hopefully keeping them in that time slot, but things do change.
Keep in mind that the Provinces that do have ranking schedules want them in June at the earliest, while residents of other Provinces would like them earlier.
I have read some of your other post & trying to figure out who you are. Your initials either BB or BR??
The Canadians have to be after the Provinces are done with their rankings & other quailifiers. Most are done by early May.
May not a good month to hold them because too many are in Vegas. In 2004 & 2005 in Montreal they were held the end of June. In 2006, the year they were suppose to be in AB, we were late getting them organized, so held them in August in Markum, ON. In 2007, the Nationals were part of the SuperEx in Ottawa, so CBSA had to go with their Aug. dates.
In 2008, CBSA were also late in getting them organized, so stayed in Aug. This year CBSA were not late in getting organized, so did not have to be as late in the summer as it was.
In 2010, the plans are to have them at the end of June, and hopefully keeping them in that time slot, but things do change.
Keep in mind that the Provinces that do have ranking schedules want them in June at the earliest, while residents of other Provinces would like them earlier.
I have read some of your other post & trying to figure out who you are. Your initials either BB or BR??
Reply To Brutal
Well Scott, I knew I would have to address your complaining eventually, so let's start with your 2 scenerios.
#1 I will call the SM (you) scenerio: SM played in the 2008 Canadians. Knew there was a dress code & played with proper dress. After losing his 2nd match, starting letting off a little frustration, said he would not come back tomorrow to play on B side & did not.
Now, let's roll ahead to 2009. SM shows up to play this year with t-shirt, shorts, & crocks. Nice!!! But at least it was an hour or so before match time. SM was instructed that there was a dress code by event's host, head referee, & me. I also mentioned to SM that you played last year & should have known. SM leaves & comes back with colloured shirt, dress pants & crocks. Getting better, but not 100%. SM was then told again by all that crocks were not dress shoes. SM complains that all were not wearing dress shoes. At that point, I went & asked the head referee, if he okayed all the rest of the dress shoes. He said he did. At the players meeting the night before, in which SM was not present, it was told to all if anyone had any concerns about dress code to ask the head referee. The ones that SM did not think had proper dress shoes were all okayed by ref. That was his job. He said crocks were not dress shoes.
Now it is time for SM to play. Also, as explained at players meetings, each person has 15 minutes to start match. SM decided to go between me, event host, & referee & state his case. He was told by each, referee okayed other shoes, crocks are not dress shoes & you have 15 minutes to get other shoes. Around 20 minutes later, after the result of his match was posted - walk over - SM says to me, "I guess I will have to borrow my friends shoes & play". I am sorry, but I lost my composure at that point. I threw his entry fee on the table, and said a few words. I did apologize to all who heard my rant & rave. But I felt all involved gave SM all the opportunity to play. So, now in 2 years & forfeits 2 matches. Why enter?
Scenerio #2 - Two guys from ON, who drew each other, arrive with t-shirts, shorts & running shoes. Beautiful. Guy #1 had a little time, & guy #2, hardly no time. Guy #1 who arrived a little early went shopping but did not arrive soon enough to play his match. He was told before he left that if he was not back in time, that his match would be forfeited.
Guy #2, who lives in TO West, had no time to go home or go shopping before match time. He was very upset. And I mean very. He explained: "I was one of the first to quailify at Silver Tip. I have been practising a lot & really looking forward to this event. I don't think this is fair. I was never told of the dress code." I explained that this information was available on both CBSA & Snookerline & at the players meeting the night before. His reply, "The only website I knew about was Shooterville & was not told about the meeting."
Then, I started to ponder. All the dress code issues were with ON players. All players from NS, NB, QC, MB, SK, & BC all knew about the dress code & players meetings. As National President, I knew that OBSA were not very organized this year for pool (I hate to type this, but it is true), & did not start holding pool quailfiers in the GTA until well into the summer. Both of these guys were also very sincere in what they were saying. I can usually tell by ones voice & eyes whether someone is trying to sell me swamp land in Florida. I am sure they were telling the truth. Just maybe they were not told & not really their fault.
At this time I was also debating what to do with the draw. If both forfeits, then we have a bye in winners bracket, & 2 names in losers bracket, to play 1 person. I have been around the game many years & have never seen two playing each other on upper bracket both forfeit. While I was thinking this out guy #2 - the upset guy - asked me if there was anyway that the 2 could play once they got clothes. I explained that this would back the draw up, so not possible. Then I started thinking, this is an amateur event, no International spots involved, not a lot of prize money, both of these guys did win a quailifier to play (1 at Silver Tip, 1 at Shooters), both were very sincere in getting to play & not knowing about dress code (although I feel it is their responsibility to know), I said to them:
I need a winner & loser for this match for the draw sheet. I don't care if you flip a coin or whatever, just tell me who won your match. You are right SM, they did play on a bar box that they paid to use. It was away from the tournament tables & you were the only person that has expressed an issue with it. I don't think many knew about it.
In closing, I have a few thoughts.
#1) I stand by all decisions that were made in both scenerios.
#2) I am not sure if how scenerio #2 was handled, was the right thing to do, but I am glad about the decisions that were made. Both guys were gentleman at all times. Both thanked me that they had a chance to play all their matches. Neither cashed, but did play. Both could have left with a sour taste in their mouths, but left happy. Although I don't know either, I respect both & hope they play in future Nationals.
#3) SM - Now you & all that read this know all the facts. I also refuse to get into a pissing match with you. I have nothing else to add to accusations. I put it all on the table. I feel that you are making a big deal about this, because you were not allowed to play in crocks. You think it was disgraceful, well I think it was the ethical thing to do.
As, I mentioned in my very first post in this thread, I jumped into this for Scotty & because he was such an huge supporter of not only CBSA, but Canadian Cue Sports. I hate to say it, but my heart has not been into this forum since Scotty passed away. It took me a month to fianally answer Taxi Man's rants. So, I probably will not be checking this as much.
If any of you do have anything on your mind that I may be able to help with, my email address in on the CBSA website.
I am also a 1 finger typer & been typing a long time & really do not feel like proof reading this for errors. Sorry. I hope there are not a lot of spelling errors. Makes me look stupider than I am!!!
R.I.P. Scotty. This forum will miss you!!!
Well Scott, I knew I would have to address your complaining eventually, so let's start with your 2 scenerios.
#1 I will call the SM (you) scenerio: SM played in the 2008 Canadians. Knew there was a dress code & played with proper dress. After losing his 2nd match, starting letting off a little frustration, said he would not come back tomorrow to play on B side & did not.
Now, let's roll ahead to 2009. SM shows up to play this year with t-shirt, shorts, & crocks. Nice!!! But at least it was an hour or so before match time. SM was instructed that there was a dress code by event's host, head referee, & me. I also mentioned to SM that you played last year & should have known. SM leaves & comes back with colloured shirt, dress pants & crocks. Getting better, but not 100%. SM was then told again by all that crocks were not dress shoes. SM complains that all were not wearing dress shoes. At that point, I went & asked the head referee, if he okayed all the rest of the dress shoes. He said he did. At the players meeting the night before, in which SM was not present, it was told to all if anyone had any concerns about dress code to ask the head referee. The ones that SM did not think had proper dress shoes were all okayed by ref. That was his job. He said crocks were not dress shoes.
Now it is time for SM to play. Also, as explained at players meetings, each person has 15 minutes to start match. SM decided to go between me, event host, & referee & state his case. He was told by each, referee okayed other shoes, crocks are not dress shoes & you have 15 minutes to get other shoes. Around 20 minutes later, after the result of his match was posted - walk over - SM says to me, "I guess I will have to borrow my friends shoes & play". I am sorry, but I lost my composure at that point. I threw his entry fee on the table, and said a few words. I did apologize to all who heard my rant & rave. But I felt all involved gave SM all the opportunity to play. So, now in 2 years & forfeits 2 matches. Why enter?
Scenerio #2 - Two guys from ON, who drew each other, arrive with t-shirts, shorts & running shoes. Beautiful. Guy #1 had a little time, & guy #2, hardly no time. Guy #1 who arrived a little early went shopping but did not arrive soon enough to play his match. He was told before he left that if he was not back in time, that his match would be forfeited.
Guy #2, who lives in TO West, had no time to go home or go shopping before match time. He was very upset. And I mean very. He explained: "I was one of the first to quailify at Silver Tip. I have been practising a lot & really looking forward to this event. I don't think this is fair. I was never told of the dress code." I explained that this information was available on both CBSA & Snookerline & at the players meeting the night before. His reply, "The only website I knew about was Shooterville & was not told about the meeting."
Then, I started to ponder. All the dress code issues were with ON players. All players from NS, NB, QC, MB, SK, & BC all knew about the dress code & players meetings. As National President, I knew that OBSA were not very organized this year for pool (I hate to type this, but it is true), & did not start holding pool quailfiers in the GTA until well into the summer. Both of these guys were also very sincere in what they were saying. I can usually tell by ones voice & eyes whether someone is trying to sell me swamp land in Florida. I am sure they were telling the truth. Just maybe they were not told & not really their fault.
At this time I was also debating what to do with the draw. If both forfeits, then we have a bye in winners bracket, & 2 names in losers bracket, to play 1 person. I have been around the game many years & have never seen two playing each other on upper bracket both forfeit. While I was thinking this out guy #2 - the upset guy - asked me if there was anyway that the 2 could play once they got clothes. I explained that this would back the draw up, so not possible. Then I started thinking, this is an amateur event, no International spots involved, not a lot of prize money, both of these guys did win a quailifier to play (1 at Silver Tip, 1 at Shooters), both were very sincere in getting to play & not knowing about dress code (although I feel it is their responsibility to know), I said to them:
I need a winner & loser for this match for the draw sheet. I don't care if you flip a coin or whatever, just tell me who won your match. You are right SM, they did play on a bar box that they paid to use. It was away from the tournament tables & you were the only person that has expressed an issue with it. I don't think many knew about it.
In closing, I have a few thoughts.
#1) I stand by all decisions that were made in both scenerios.
#2) I am not sure if how scenerio #2 was handled, was the right thing to do, but I am glad about the decisions that were made. Both guys were gentleman at all times. Both thanked me that they had a chance to play all their matches. Neither cashed, but did play. Both could have left with a sour taste in their mouths, but left happy. Although I don't know either, I respect both & hope they play in future Nationals.
#3) SM - Now you & all that read this know all the facts. I also refuse to get into a pissing match with you. I have nothing else to add to accusations. I put it all on the table. I feel that you are making a big deal about this, because you were not allowed to play in crocks. You think it was disgraceful, well I think it was the ethical thing to do.
As, I mentioned in my very first post in this thread, I jumped into this for Scotty & because he was such an huge supporter of not only CBSA, but Canadian Cue Sports. I hate to say it, but my heart has not been into this forum since Scotty passed away. It took me a month to fianally answer Taxi Man's rants. So, I probably will not be checking this as much.
If any of you do have anything on your mind that I may be able to help with, my email address in on the CBSA website.
I am also a 1 finger typer & been typing a long time & really do not feel like proof reading this for errors. Sorry. I hope there are not a lot of spelling errors. Makes me look stupider than I am!!!
R.I.P. Scotty. This forum will miss you!!!
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What a crock and not the one's on my feet.
Look ,I know how much time those players had because I was there.There was a clothing store about 100 feet from the pool hall and these people got to break the rules because they drew each other.And since you said,It was a amateur event then I could of been given the leaway as the 2 guys completly out of dress code.You call what I'm saying rants,but you know you were wrong to decieve the entire feild of players to let them play on a barbox and not to enforce your own rules.There wouldn't of been 1 player to okay what you were doing.As far as the year before,I bowed out after my loss,cause I couldn't make it back the next day.BIG DEAL!Don't try to stray away from the topic,lets keep it clear.My final word on this is,I have no personal issue with you because I don't know you.Being not allowed to play in that event is not an issue.Just seperate rules for some people,when the rules should be followed by everybody is my issue.Enough people who know now what happened thought it was shady,and dishonest.And just because it's an amateur event doesn't mean it can't be run professionally!Thanks
I had a player who was in the canadians messege me and noticed in your comments,that you were quick to point out the fact that I wasn't at the players meeting but obviously neither were the other players were discussing but you seem to dismiss that fact,and the best question of all he asked me was,if there was a vote with the majority of the players, if the players who are breaking the rules ,could they play there matches on a barbox,what do you think the vote would of been Steve?
Anyone who has played in the Canadians knows about the dress code. Showing up the way you did is kind of laughable….lol
I think Steve explained himself pretty clearly. Whether his decisions were right is a matter of opinion. Personally, I believe all rules are breakable under the right circumstances.
I hope they change the dress code to at least allow running shoes in the future. But if they don’t, follow the dress code and you’ll save yourself all these worries.
It’s always easy for people to spend weeks analyzing what someone should of did, in the few seconds they had to make the decision.
lifes a garden….dig it!!!
I don't know what's laughable about it,they were bias to a few players,and unbias to the ones they liked.He had 45 min to make a decision.When 1 player not me,went out and spent over 200 dollers on proper attire,comes back in the pool hall and see's other guys being allowed to play out of dress code is a piss off.They were upset cause I voice my opinion,and do remember there was a half dozen or more allowed to play not in proper dress code.I'm trying to speak on behalf of the guys who followed the rules but not given the same leaway as the guys who did not.My buddy told me if he knew what was going on he would of shown up the 2nd day out of dress code on purpose,so maybe he could play on a barbox table to.I made my mistake and admitted it,but I guess to make somebody admit it or just realize their mistake may be impossible.I've beat this topic to death so take care and hopefully pool can make a comeback!Anyone who has played in the Canadians knows about the dress code. Showing up the way you did is kind of laughable….lol
I think Steve explained himself pretty clearly. Whether his decisions were right is a matter of opinion. Personally, I believe all rules are breakable under the right circumstances.
I hope they change the dress code to at least allow running shoes in the future. But if they don’t, follow the dress code and you’ll save yourself all these worries.
It’s always easy for people to spend weeks analyzing what someone should of did, in the few seconds they had to make the decision.
lifes a garden….dig it!!!
Why not have them in November, at a time when people might actually be inclined to play?
Hello Steve.
It is apparent that there is a definate bias of the CBSA towards Eastern Canada, the Canadian Championships are exclusively run in Eastern provinces and this results in hugely biased fields of predominately Eastern province players. The expense and time commitment of travel from Western Canada for the event is excessive and it limits the people who are able to make their way to the event and thus negatively affect the turnout to the provincial qualifiers themselves.
Thus, I wish to ask. What are the chances of creating a Western Canadian Championships and segmenting the National event into two events within the distinct regions? For people in The Yukon, British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba travel between these provinces is far more affordable and less time consuming.
People in Ontario and the Maritimes are hard pressed to ever come to events in the West, it is a rare event indeed for us in Alberta to see a Joe Lawrence or a Alain Martel in an event, even the Canadian tour Jim Wych ran did not draw a great amount of people from the East when a Western tour stop took place, although the fields filled instead with players from the West. The players from both sides of the country tend to avoid the excessive amounts of travel to the other side of the country for a billiards event, and for good reason, we live in a large country. This is an unfortunate reality in a tour like Jim Wych ran, it is far worse in the National Championships though when a bias of the location of the event year after year isolates such a large portion of the national pool playing community from a chance to play for the national championship and a shot to represent their country in the World Championships.
There is more then 1 spot granted to Canada in the world championships (when the event is actually ran) and thus if Western Canada was given the ability to run their own Western Canadian 9-ball, 10-ball and 8-ball Championships under the sanction of the CBSA then a percentage of the world championship spots could be awarded to the winners of finalists of the Western event (depending on the number of spots Canada is awarded due to performance from the previous year in the worlds).
The single Canadian Championship is never going to gain a proper distribution of players from across this country. If the event continues to run only in Eastern Canada then Western Canada is by and large ommited from competing in or participating in the event. If the event does get a time or two to be in Western Canada you will then notice a sharp drop in the ability of many Eastern players who currently compete in the event to make the long trip west and spend that time and money. The only solution is to break up the national championship into two distinct events that each represent their section of the country, allowing people the ability to travel a more practical and reasonable distance to compete in the event.
I could also talk about a certain lack of interest of our representative in advertising the provincial events in my province and his admitted disdain of all cue sports games beyond snooker and his lack of interest in seeing 9-ball, 10-ball, and 8-ball grow in popularity and development. But atm the above issue is a road block, even if we had someone with a true interest in seeing the interest in billiards grow on this side of the country they would have a hard time getting people to play in an event that allows them to spend a couple thousand dollars to travel to Toronto, get a hotel room, and play in an event with very few of their peers or people they know.
I would be happy to talk more about this and help out, the West needs help, and the CBSA has the ability to give a person the power and the sanction and the world championship spots such that someone with a willingness to see the West take a more active part in the National and International stage could actually cause the sport to slowly turn around it's current downturn and begin to grow in popularity again.
If things stay the way they are we are doomed, this sport has been on a downward spiral since I started playing it competitively 15+ years ago, the number of pool halls has dwindled, the number of tournaments both local and large have reduced greatly, the number of pool halls have decreased dramatically, things need to change, because this current path is going nowhere but down.
The farther things are allowed to fall the far greater the climb back up is going to be. And they have been falling for some time now. For the love of this sport, please consider a paradigm shift in the way things are currently done because in no way are they working.
Shane Lyons
It is apparent that there is a definate bias of the CBSA towards Eastern Canada, the Canadian Championships are exclusively run in Eastern provinces and this results in hugely biased fields of predominately Eastern province players. The expense and time commitment of travel from Western Canada for the event is excessive and it limits the people who are able to make their way to the event and thus negatively affect the turnout to the provincial qualifiers themselves.
Thus, I wish to ask. What are the chances of creating a Western Canadian Championships and segmenting the National event into two events within the distinct regions? For people in The Yukon, British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba travel between these provinces is far more affordable and less time consuming.
People in Ontario and the Maritimes are hard pressed to ever come to events in the West, it is a rare event indeed for us in Alberta to see a Joe Lawrence or a Alain Martel in an event, even the Canadian tour Jim Wych ran did not draw a great amount of people from the East when a Western tour stop took place, although the fields filled instead with players from the West. The players from both sides of the country tend to avoid the excessive amounts of travel to the other side of the country for a billiards event, and for good reason, we live in a large country. This is an unfortunate reality in a tour like Jim Wych ran, it is far worse in the National Championships though when a bias of the location of the event year after year isolates such a large portion of the national pool playing community from a chance to play for the national championship and a shot to represent their country in the World Championships.
There is more then 1 spot granted to Canada in the world championships (when the event is actually ran) and thus if Western Canada was given the ability to run their own Western Canadian 9-ball, 10-ball and 8-ball Championships under the sanction of the CBSA then a percentage of the world championship spots could be awarded to the winners of finalists of the Western event (depending on the number of spots Canada is awarded due to performance from the previous year in the worlds).
The single Canadian Championship is never going to gain a proper distribution of players from across this country. If the event continues to run only in Eastern Canada then Western Canada is by and large ommited from competing in or participating in the event. If the event does get a time or two to be in Western Canada you will then notice a sharp drop in the ability of many Eastern players who currently compete in the event to make the long trip west and spend that time and money. The only solution is to break up the national championship into two distinct events that each represent their section of the country, allowing people the ability to travel a more practical and reasonable distance to compete in the event.
I could also talk about a certain lack of interest of our representative in advertising the provincial events in my province and his admitted disdain of all cue sports games beyond snooker and his lack of interest in seeing 9-ball, 10-ball, and 8-ball grow in popularity and development. But atm the above issue is a road block, even if we had someone with a true interest in seeing the interest in billiards grow on this side of the country they would have a hard time getting people to play in an event that allows them to spend a couple thousand dollars to travel to Toronto, get a hotel room, and play in an event with very few of their peers or people they know.
I would be happy to talk more about this and help out, the West needs help, and the CBSA has the ability to give a person the power and the sanction and the world championship spots such that someone with a willingness to see the West take a more active part in the National and International stage could actually cause the sport to slowly turn around it's current downturn and begin to grow in popularity again.
If things stay the way they are we are doomed, this sport has been on a downward spiral since I started playing it competitively 15+ years ago, the number of pool halls has dwindled, the number of tournaments both local and large have reduced greatly, the number of pool halls have decreased dramatically, things need to change, because this current path is going nowhere but down.
The farther things are allowed to fall the far greater the climb back up is going to be. And they have been falling for some time now. For the love of this sport, please consider a paradigm shift in the way things are currently done because in no way are they working.
Shane Lyons
I agree with you but unfortunately its like talking to a brickwall.Since its all volunteer work you get a commitee of people that will agree with you just to get you to go away and continue down the same road of failure.But it's to bad for the players in the west,there's just to much talent out there to let it go to waste.
If they agreed with me and allowed for the world championship spots to be split with some moving to the West I myself would use that to begin to plan for a open Western Canadian Championship that has both money payouts and entry into the world championship of each discipline. If the commitee gets together and sees that changes need to be made in this direction then that decision is an admission that the current path is not the proper direction and that it would behoove them to allow someone in the West the opportunity to organize and develop a better system for pool in the West.
That said, this is all for Steve to respond to as per the point of this thread.
There isn't a place out there that will hold a weekly event, where would you host a western/national open event? The west requires a tour that has payouts for the events and holds back % of entry to send spot winners to nationals (expense paid). You need to contact Brad, get a board of directors and get going.
Problems: Rooms don't want the events
Players: Want all the prize money and more.
Good luck
What would it take for a new western association to become IBSF affiliated/sanctioned ?
After a discussion last night with one of our current local association committee members it is very clear they neither have the know how or the will to progress things and I am getting to the point with all this that I am seriously considering starting a new organization.
We have two rooms out here very close to each other with enough Riley Aristocrats that could easily accommodate the snooker tournaments.
I have many ideas on securing funding and sponsorships from Gvmnt. sports organizations and private companies as well as a vision of grass roots development and competition promotion.
It can be done, just need the right people with the drive and energy to never give up and run down the resources to fund it.
Build it and they will come i say, put up enough money and the players will come back, no question.
After a discussion last night with one of our current local association committee members it is very clear they neither have the know how or the will to progress things and I am getting to the point with all this that I am seriously considering starting a new organization.
We have two rooms out here very close to each other with enough Riley Aristocrats that could easily accommodate the snooker tournaments.
I have many ideas on securing funding and sponsorships from Gvmnt. sports organizations and private companies as well as a vision of grass roots development and competition promotion.
It can be done, just need the right people with the drive and energy to never give up and run down the resources to fund it.
Build it and they will come i say, put up enough money and the players will come back, no question.
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Phil, I would most definately take part and add my time and effort into the game, trying to at least gain some semblence of a formal regional type of competition that can bring the players across Western Canada together and spur interest back into this sport.
As to working with Brad...
He shows a lack of respect for the players of this sport and has himself admitted that his focus is on promoting snooker, not billiards.
I have no real wish to connect the attempt to build something new and better by first thing connecting myself to a person who has admitted he is not really that interested in seeing the growth of billiards and does not care what the player-base within this province think of the events that they are given to play in.
IMO the players and their thoughts on the proper production and organization of events is an important thing to consider as it is their participation in the events that leads to the success of that event.
As to working with Brad...
Brad said:
He shows a lack of respect for the players of this sport and has himself admitted that his focus is on promoting snooker, not billiards.
I have no real wish to connect the attempt to build something new and better by first thing connecting myself to a person who has admitted he is not really that interested in seeing the growth of billiards and does not care what the player-base within this province think of the events that they are given to play in.
IMO the players and their thoughts on the proper production and organization of events is an important thing to consider as it is their participation in the events that leads to the success of that event.
I love pool
I love the game of pool,because it is the only sport that has a lot of stratagey,fennesh,and its more fun.You cant fined them things in pingpong or bowling.
I love the game of pool,because it is the only sport that has a lot of stratagey,fennesh,and its more fun.You cant fined them things in pingpong or bowling.
Actually
Actually why dont they have a Western Canadian Championships here in Alberta and the other puaery provinces,with all the western city's takin turns hosting it every year,instead of relyin on Toronto's Canadians.
Actually why dont they have a Western Canadian Championships here in Alberta and the other puaery provinces,with all the western city's takin turns hosting it every year,instead of relyin on Toronto's Canadians.
Thats exactly what is being discussed.
Reply To Celtic & Philthepockets
Some great points from both of you.
Celtic - Actually the CBSA were working towards a Western Canadian, Eastern Canadian, & Canadian championships each year to fill World spots, then the WPA had to cancel the World's, 9-Ball in 2008 & 2009, & 8-Ball this year. This project has been put on hold until the World events are scheduled again. Nothing yet scheduled for 2010.
CBSA is governed by the Provinces of Canada. At the moment the BC Cue Sports Society is the sanctioned body in BC, although they do not qualify any in pool. AB does not have a functioning association to CBSA at this point in time. There is not even a contact person any longer.
Celtic: It is fine to say that we would like a championships in Western Canada, but I think Jason Robichaud hit the nail on the head, organization is needed first. CBSA needs people from AB to step forward to get things organized. I wish I could do more from NB, but it is tough.
I don't buy the theory that it is too expensive, so no one wants to play. I feel it is all in the organization of it. The late Paul Ridd always raised the money to send Albertans to the Canadians. There was an Association then that raised money through memberships, holding qualifiers, having sanctioned billiard clubs, gov't grants, etc..... When Paul took sick, no one from AB stepped forward to keep the organization in place. Quite a few tried, which I will not name names, but none succeeded. That is what is needed in AB, in my mind. Get the foundation in place, then building the house will be easier.
Philthepockets: I do not think the IBSF would sanction a region of any Country. I do like your thoughts on the rest of your post. Maybe you could request spots from the BCCSS for the Canadians, if that is your wish. As I stated above, BCCSS do not fill a lot of spots, so they may give them to you. After getting organized, then other options, like organizing bigger events could follow.
As CBSA President, I would love to see the Canadian Championships in AB or BC, again. But some group of people or organization would have to bid for them, & provide the financial committment to host them. Sponsors or fund raising is needed.
I also understand that some from AB are still upset because the Canadians were scheduled for Edmonton in 2006, but then moved to Markham, ON. For the record, CBSA wanted to stay in AB, but after the Provincial delegate resigned, there was no one to organize or to provide the financial commitment to host the event. We had a venue - Cue Club - but nothing else in place. Another CBSA Board member found that commitment in ON, so we moved it there.
Anyway, I think I touched on all I wanted. And Celtic - thanks for signing your name. Appreciated.
Some great points from both of you.
Celtic - Actually the CBSA were working towards a Western Canadian, Eastern Canadian, & Canadian championships each year to fill World spots, then the WPA had to cancel the World's, 9-Ball in 2008 & 2009, & 8-Ball this year. This project has been put on hold until the World events are scheduled again. Nothing yet scheduled for 2010.
CBSA is governed by the Provinces of Canada. At the moment the BC Cue Sports Society is the sanctioned body in BC, although they do not qualify any in pool. AB does not have a functioning association to CBSA at this point in time. There is not even a contact person any longer.
Celtic: It is fine to say that we would like a championships in Western Canada, but I think Jason Robichaud hit the nail on the head, organization is needed first. CBSA needs people from AB to step forward to get things organized. I wish I could do more from NB, but it is tough.
I don't buy the theory that it is too expensive, so no one wants to play. I feel it is all in the organization of it. The late Paul Ridd always raised the money to send Albertans to the Canadians. There was an Association then that raised money through memberships, holding qualifiers, having sanctioned billiard clubs, gov't grants, etc..... When Paul took sick, no one from AB stepped forward to keep the organization in place. Quite a few tried, which I will not name names, but none succeeded. That is what is needed in AB, in my mind. Get the foundation in place, then building the house will be easier.
Philthepockets: I do not think the IBSF would sanction a region of any Country. I do like your thoughts on the rest of your post. Maybe you could request spots from the BCCSS for the Canadians, if that is your wish. As I stated above, BCCSS do not fill a lot of spots, so they may give them to you. After getting organized, then other options, like organizing bigger events could follow.
As CBSA President, I would love to see the Canadian Championships in AB or BC, again. But some group of people or organization would have to bid for them, & provide the financial committment to host them. Sponsors or fund raising is needed.
I also understand that some from AB are still upset because the Canadians were scheduled for Edmonton in 2006, but then moved to Markham, ON. For the record, CBSA wanted to stay in AB, but after the Provincial delegate resigned, there was no one to organize or to provide the financial commitment to host the event. We had a venue - Cue Club - but nothing else in place. Another CBSA Board member found that commitment in ON, so we moved it there.
Anyway, I think I touched on all I wanted. And Celtic - thanks for signing your name. Appreciated.
It all boils down to this, whoever is running the show is doing a poor job seeking sponsorship for our national championships. They are the governing body of pool in Canada, that is a good title to have when your approaching any kind of business or company or whatever for sponsorship.
Also, the advertising is poor for our Canadian championships but there is nothing to advertise because the Canadian championships is no longer a tournament nor important in 100 different ways. So there is no point in advertising for it, it's not prestigious enough to even be thought of anymore let alone advertised
We can go on and on about why it's this and why it's that but the truth is that it's just depressing.
It's now held in my home pool room in Toronto, Shooters Billiards. Year after year now the the room owner and CBSA make all the money, meanwhile us pool players are putting on a great show for nickles and dimes.
Sorry if I offended anyone but that"s the ugly truth.
There is so much more to be said but it's just not worth it anymore.
Pool players are slaves to the game of pool in Canada on every level for the last however many years.
The people who are in charge are well aware of this, and they don't care they just pretend they do!
John Morra
Also, the advertising is poor for our Canadian championships but there is nothing to advertise because the Canadian championships is no longer a tournament nor important in 100 different ways. So there is no point in advertising for it, it's not prestigious enough to even be thought of anymore let alone advertised
We can go on and on about why it's this and why it's that but the truth is that it's just depressing.
It's now held in my home pool room in Toronto, Shooters Billiards. Year after year now the the room owner and CBSA make all the money, meanwhile us pool players are putting on a great show for nickles and dimes.
Sorry if I offended anyone but that"s the ugly truth.
There is so much more to be said but it's just not worth it anymore.
Pool players are slaves to the game of pool in Canada on every level for the last however many years.
The people who are in charge are well aware of this, and they don't care they just pretend they do!
John Morra