Ouch... You broke me already, Driver, I shoud of known. How to prove it? It's quite simple: put 'em both on the phone and have their wives yell out whether the cueball went three rails to the other end of the table. Then we use some kind of music equipment to judge the speed of the stroke from the background noise of the balls colliding...drivermaker said:
Centerball in 9 ball (?)
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drivermaker
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lewdo26 said:
Well...OK...we'll be more realistic. How about $10 bucks...I'll lose more than that in parking fees in the next few days...who cares. I'll take VAP...you have the Capt. We'll figure some way to prove it. DEAL?
drivermaker
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lewdo26 said:
BTW...your name isn't really Tony R...is it? Where's that damn envelope.....?
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Sounds like fun to me. Easy to prove. I do believe that the 'VA' in VAP stands for Virginia. I'll be missing the two events on the other side of the bay, but the following two Planet Pool Events in June are in Sterling Va. and I'll be there.
Each player picks say two or three shots that require stoke. Must pocket a ball. Two chances with each shot. Your best effort that pockets the ball counts. You two pick the tie breaker. Remember we are talking stoke here not english. Follow and draw will show stoke better than english and I think follow shows it better than draw. So here is a heads up. At least two of the shots I pick will probably be pure follow shots.
Don't be taking this personally VAP. Drivermaker started this, I'm just saying we could have fun doing it. Probably be pretty close, but I'm betting on me.
One thing that does have me a little curious. lewdo26, are you cheating DM? Do I know you and you have seen me put a stoke on one just to see how much I could get?
Each player picks say two or three shots that require stoke. Must pocket a ball. Two chances with each shot. Your best effort that pockets the ball counts. You two pick the tie breaker. Remember we are talking stoke here not english. Follow and draw will show stoke better than english and I think follow shows it better than draw. So here is a heads up. At least two of the shots I pick will probably be pure follow shots.
Don't be taking this personally VAP. Drivermaker started this, I'm just saying we could have fun doing it. Probably be pretty close, but I'm betting on me.
One thing that does have me a little curious. lewdo26, are you cheating DM? Do I know you and you have seen me put a stoke on one just to see how much I could get?
drivermaker
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drivermaker said:
Between Lewdo and myself, it doesn't have to do with what's going to happen in the FUTURE as far as a stroking match with english vs. centerball between Vap and Capt...it has to do with the possibility that he MAY HAVE ALREADY SEEN your stroke and doesn't think that yours is better than his, as you openly assumed and bragged. My post above is what Lewdo responded to and what got our bet going.
I've never seen either one of your strokes and wouldn't even know what VAP looks like if we bumped into each other, I'm just putting my money on him because of the responses that he gives about the game vs. Capt. responses and we'll see if I picked the winning horse and got lucky enough that VAP might know more about Capt. than he thinks. I already know that VAP knows more about the game than Capt. based on various threads.
Lewdo...are we on the same page here?
CaptainJR said:
actually, no, i usually only us 1/2 tip of sidespin. one of the ways i use to aim with english envolves using the edge of the tip as an aiming device......and the edge hase to be aimed through the center of the cue ball.........so i only use 1/2 tip. i can show you that its plenty on a 9 ft table, the spin takes off immediately once contacting the rail. there isn't a big difference here, just that you think 1/2 tip of sidespin is less than it really is.
and don't take this personally........i've seen you play............if i've ever had the nuts.........this would be the time.
thanks VAP
CaptainJR said:
don't forget when you're practicing them, they object ball skips when you put follow on the cue ball.........ball pocketing gets a little harder using follow.
VAP
Here's another issue ... don't know if it applies to anyone but me. But I've found as I've tried to work in more centerball shots, that it can be easier to maintain an angle on the next shot that way, when by comparison, when I would use small amounts of english on about every shot, fine-tuning the position, or so I thought, what I often ended up doing (subconsciously?) was finding the angle to come into the shot, and ending up straight-in too often.
drivermaker
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vapoolplayer said:and don't take this personally........i've seen you play............if i've ever had the nuts.........this would be the time.
thanks VAP
WAIT...WAIT...what have we here, Lewdo? VAP just confirmed that HE HAS SEEN CaptJR play, and the Captains assumption about stroke quality and playing ability isn't what he THINKS it is now that VAP really does know the facts. Should I just PM my mailing address for that check now or do we need additional proof of that statement? OR, should we just let it ride on a $100 match when they meet in June. Race to 11? 14.1? What say ye?
drivermaker said:
(ears perk up) did someone say straight pool??????
i'd like to add 1 pocket to this mix.........
wait wait, a 22 yr old that plays one pocket.......my god!!!
LOL
VAP
wait wait, a 22 yr old that plays one pocket.......my god!!!
LOL
VAP
drivermaker
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vapoolplayer said:
I'm not backing you on that. It's an old man's game...
Wait... Wait, says I. I think VAP just got off the phone with Captain and Captain is dumping. So what? You guys think just because I'm from New York that you can put some southern dipsy-do on me???drivermaker said:
Think again. All bets are off until I hear from Captain on these follow shots he's talking about. If the cueball is skipping on you, Captain, then you gotta find another backer until you hone your follow through. Are we ALL on the same page now!???
I heard a local top player saying to a friend that in order for many players to reach the next level in 9-ball, they have to train themselves to use less sidespin and to only play shape in the side pocket if it's necessary. I guess it makes sense, because I notice alot of people's runouts come to an end when they get out of line on side pocket shape and they have to go around the table, etc. Also, center ball is easier to control than english because english effects the speed.
lewdo26 said:
i wasn't talking about his personal follow shots........i was talking about follow shots in general. since he said that follow was a better way of testing one's stroke. anytime you put follow on the cue ball, the object ball takes a small skip. when you start using a force follow, then you really have to be careful.
make sense now?
thanks
VAP
drivermaker
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lewdo26 said:
Wait, Wait, Lewdo...All bets AREN'T off. YOU made the bet and said "You've got action" when I offered 10 bucks. The Capt. is from YOUR neck of the woods, he's not a southern boy and VAP lives closer to you than he does to me. If you don't want to back Capt. in a match down the road for $100, that's fine. I'll see if I can get Capt. to back his words with his own money.
I would have to think someone who was so confident about his stroke and game being appreciably better than someone he never saw wouldn't be a pussy about wanting to place a little wager on it.
In the mean time, you owe me $10 bucks. VAP has SEEN Capt. play and knows what his stroke looks like...THAT'S the BET.
I think just because you're from New York that you're now trying to put the "NY WEASEL SHUFFLE" on me. You might be from NY, but you've eaten enough crawfish up there to know how to moonwalk and backpedal on a bet that YOU made.
Hey...in all fairness and for all I know, I might have lost the bet to you. All VAP said was that he saw him shoot. As I said earlier, I'll lose more than 10 bucks in parking in another couple of days. I WILL pay the 10 bucks to you and not crawfish if I lose. I WILL NOT BE A NEW YORK WEASEL. But we do need more proof, and if we get it from VAP...I'll pay...and I expect you to also. Are we on the same page now?! The $100 future bet is up to you.
OK, I'm going to recap a little. Skipping the technical stuff.
VAP gave me a little jab with his 'learning to run before learning to craw' statement. No problem, but certainly deserved a little jab back, so I said I probably have a better stroke than he does. (I already said that I'm not a big gambler, but I'd bet more on the closeness of the contest than I would on either person to win.)
If he saw me play I guess it was at one of the two PP events I went to. I didn't play my best at either event. I wasn't two and out in either event. So I think the 'craw' statement was a little out of line but ok if meant slightly in jest.
So I have two questions?
VAP, If you saw me play a PP event, how did you make out at the event.
But most importantly, why didn't you say hello and introduce yourself?
VAP gave me a little jab with his 'learning to run before learning to craw' statement. No problem, but certainly deserved a little jab back, so I said I probably have a better stroke than he does. (I already said that I'm not a big gambler, but I'd bet more on the closeness of the contest than I would on either person to win.)
If he saw me play I guess it was at one of the two PP events I went to. I didn't play my best at either event. I wasn't two and out in either event. So I think the 'craw' statement was a little out of line but ok if meant slightly in jest.
So I have two questions?
VAP, If you saw me play a PP event, how did you make out at the event.
But most importantly, why didn't you say hello and introduce yourself?
CaptainJR said:
i didn't play, didn't know i was going to be able to be there. plans changed, and i was there.
i didn't really talk to anyone except jam.
as far as the crawl before you can run part, i still stick to that, if you can't get to most places on the table without using sidespin, or if you are using more than a tip........you need to focus on other things.
VAP(still has the nuts
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