Championship Cloth Question for valley bar box

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capt15642

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I am looking to refelt a pool table and need some advice on what type of championship felt to use. I like simonis but too expensive also tends to play a little to fast on a bar box valley. I am looking for something that plays similiar to simonis but not as fast. Also don't won't the felt to pill up on the table. My question is should I get Valley teflon Ultra or Invitational with Teflon. I can get both for arround $120. Any help would be appreciated. This is for a 8 foot valley with new rails.
 
capt15642 said:
I am looking to refelt a pool table and need some advice on what type of championship felt to use. I like simonis but too expensive also tends to play a little to fast on a bar box valley. I am looking for something that plays similiar to simonis but not as fast. Also don't won't the felt to pill up on the table. My question is should I get Valley teflon Ultra or Invitational with Teflon. I can get both for arround $120. Any help would be appreciated. This is for a 8 foot valley with new rails.
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Both are napped and will pill so to alleviate that problem you might look into some of the lower cost worsted cloths on the market.
 
I have played on Simonis 860 covered Valleys for years now. Awesome cloth. Wears like iron, no pilling, rolls true.
 
Championship ULTRA

My question is should I get Valley teflon Ultra or Invitational with Teflon. I can get both for arround $120. Any help would be appreciated. This is for a 8 foot valley with new rails.[/QUOTE]

I have used Championship ULTRA for the last ten years or so and am happy with the way it holds up on bar tables. This is the cloth they use at the APA Nationals so alot of my APA bars prefer to play on the same cloth that they will be competing on in Vegas. It doesn't pill up nearly as much as the invitational and with periodic vacuuming stays pretty nice but faster than most napped cloths. I very little experience with the Teflon cloths, just the regular tournament ultra.

Have fun,
Gordon Graham
Las Vegas
425-275-8255
 
I was looking to upgrade my invitational to mercury ultra on a 7' Valley. Even though the current cloth is not very old and is in good shape, the table just plays too slow in my basement. The rails are also new.

In choosing the same cloth color, should I have the rails recovered as well as the slate bed with the mercury ultra?

Thanks.
 
Changing from one woolen cloth to another woolen cloth isn't an "upgrade".
You can upgrade to a worsted cloth such as ProForm for around $40 more that the cost of Ultra.
 
I have 14 Valleys/Dynamos covered in Championship Tour Edition. Other owners in the area have as many or more Diamonds covered in Simonis. Wear seems to be about the same but I don't keep up with when they recover. Simonis at one place is getting a bit thin and slick. The other place is top notch and tables are always in good shape. I recover twice a year and I'm at 4 months into my last recover. Business has been good so wear is starting to show but never piling. Takes about 1/2 bolt so figure about $100 a table. I order by the bolt. I've had one customer out of a thousand that complained we don't use Simonis. (Hey Gordon, how do they cover the rails at APA Nationals, Valley stretch or folded side pickets?)

Question: Why when some people rack they have to move a full rack of balls about 100 times over a foot before they set them on the spot? That causes most wear next to chalk. I keep my mouth shut, smile, and ask them how the tables are rolling.
 
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