Charlie Williams: where is he?!

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I was reading that post about Alex Pagulayan and man he is talented!

I can believe that he doen't practice because look at Charlie Williams! He doesn't have time to practice and he does all that work for the tour.

Where is he!? Why didnt he show for the US OPen? I was really looking forward to seeing him and was picking him to win!

I saw him play in Philly and NYC and he was AWESOME!! I never saw anyone play so fast and fluidly. HE killed everyone!
But the impressive part was he was running around working in the event like making announcements, talking with players, doing sign ups, moving trophies, meetings with sponsors, etc. I read that article on him in BD and he really backed it up with the actions I saw.It was like he forgot that he was still in the tournament...that included when he was about to play in the finals!

How does that kid do it?!

Is there anyone out there that can do what this kid does and still win events? HE's ranked #1 now too
 
Ranked #1 where? On the tour he's in charge of maybe! If I could seed myself on a tour my ranking would be way up there also.

As far as the US Open goes Charlie won't play it because they won't give in to the wannabe a major thing called the UPA's demands that are way to numerous to list here. He wants things to be seeded so he would not have a match like the one between McCready vs. Hall until the final four. I am very glad to see all the so called "UPA" Players that jumped ship to play the US Open. Charlie and Rodney Morris have been running around together for most of this year and I laughed when I saw Rodney's name in the brackets(Thumbs up to Rodney!).
 
Hi Charlie. Miss the US Open, do you?

Several years from now you will be saying, "I cudda been somebody".

At least the US Open has a venue to get the finalists on TV. When will a UPA event be televised?

Jake
 
Allen,
You are correct in that Charlie is a great player and he can play the game quickly. It seems that when he wants to he is among the quickest players around. Nevertheless, at times, I think he decides that he will put on a great show by getting up and down on the shot over and over and over and over, etc. I think this is done on purpose and he doesn't really need to do it. He seems to do it less, perhaps 5 times instead of 10 times like he used to do.

Ruthless,
I think Charlie gave his reasons for not playing at the Open based on what he perceives as immoral acts by the promoter. I think he indicated he didn't want to endorse behavior which I imagine includes drug use. Of course, that's a crime that a lot of people want to decriminalize. He seems to have nothing against acts that might involve extortion and racketeering however.

He has apparently encouraged UPA members to boycott the Open but has no power to force them to do so. It makes sense for him to stay away after taking his stand against the event.
Ken in CT
 
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I agree that Charile should stay away from the US OPEN since he cant say anything nice about it.
As far as staying away from or condoning immoral or illegal acts ummmm is the UPA events ACTION FREE????
last time i checked action was legal in casinos and that is about it....but what do i know except despite weather the US OPEN is great this year.........GOOD TO SEE BARRY :)
 
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Charlie is standing at the edge of the river and looking out at the charred remains of what used to be a bridge. Now granted he could jump into the murky muddy water and swim across to the other side but then he would be quite a mess and would attract alot of negative attention. So instead he just stands there on the edge of the river wishing he had a way to cross without getting messy.
 
Tanya,
If by action you mean betting between players that is legal in most states. If that occurs at UPA sanctioned events that does not mean the UPA is behind it or even condones it.

It is illegal to have calcutta betting and I don't know if there is any of that. At any rate that is up to the promoter and if the UPA does not prohibit it that does not make them responsible for it.

Rember that the so called "UPA events" are really independent events that have decided to become sanctioned. These events are not put on by the UPA.
Ken in CT
 
Ken in CT said:
He has apparently encouraged UPA members to boycott the Open but has no power to force them to do so. It makes sense for him to stay away after taking his stand against the event.
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What is disconcerting is the seeding process used at the U.S. Open was based on the UPA ranking points. Also, previous U.S. Open winners got a seed.

What a pity for CW. He could have gotten his usual seed and a bye, as he did in Big Apple. He is one straight-shooting pool player, but it is hard for me to recognize his accomplishments as of late when he is running the UPA show placing himself in a seed and a bye. This does not seem fair to have an existing pool player running the UPA. Hope the new president will be someone who is not actively shooting on the UPA Tour.

I wish CW all the best in his future and hope the UPA can survive after his self-appointed presidency by offering something to the pool player other than a legally binding contract.

ManlyShot
 
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Ken,

I know Charlie..........we shoot out of the same home room and if you take the seeding away and he's just another of 1000 players that can run multi racks under pressure.

I'm sorry for seeming crude and if you "know" Charlie as a different person that's great.

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Now come on...it's one thing if you don't like his politics, but let's not try and take away from the young man's ability & talent. Charlie Williams is a champion, and will be one of the best players as long as he chooses to participate.
 
"He does shoot very good, but Earl, Buddy, Efren, Nick, or players on that level are way above his level. "

Are you serious? I saw him beat Efren TWICE in same tournament. I saw beat Varner in NYC, and again in Philly(I heard he beat him in Las Vegas too! 3 weeks in a row!) And he tortured Deuel too. So how far above can those guys be if he's consistently beating them now and winning tournaments? And what if he was a FULL time player? My friend watching with me whos a very good player said that if this kid had nothing to do but play pool, he'd be unstoppable because his mental game was so strong.

Wow, I didn't know my post would start such hateful threads. LOL

It sounds like maybe there might be more to this than people let on....At first I didn't get a good impression of him from what I heard and read online. But after what I read in BD and seen of him in person, he looks like the only one trying to help the game. A lot of people I know talk about problems in the sport, but very few do anything about it.

I challenge the critics here to step up and do something to help the sport vs just complaining. Every poolplayer I know complains. But as soon as someone comes along to try to help and do work, we crucify him. Strange world, huh?

My friend who played in Las Vegas told me that at the meeting Williams explained that no one in the UPA got paid a salary, nor got their expenses paid at UPA events. Is this true?! Thats crazy.

Yes, I agree that the UPA and maybe Williams is not perfect, and I think some things need to be changed. But I think people should support the only group thats willing to put their money where their mouth is instead of just posting complaints that do nothing for the sport.
 
there allen,

I edited it out as not to burst you're bubble on CW. But it is all true. And as far as playing full time.. He has never had a job except pool that I or anyone I know knows of since he moved to Florida. He's only a UPA Champion, not any other.....
 
Funny how in allenVA 's first post he seemingly knows nothing of why Charlie is not at the U.S. Open.

Then in his very next post seems to know all about the UPA

Whom Charlie has beaten, when and where

Heck he even says that Charlie "looks like the only one trying to help the game".

etc etc.

My guess is Charlie is writing about Charlie

Keith Legros
 
Oh keith, how could you think such a dastardly thing. LOL.

I sure wish Mike would make it mandatory for a poster to list what city they live in. Or at least their state.

If not posted by Charlie, then perhaps by his girlfriend or someone close to him.

Aw, what the heck, I don't care. Let the kids play their games. That's all they have left now. Missed the gold ring and are grasping for straws. But he sure has made a lot of enemies in his short run. I wonder if he even realizes that. Or if he really cares.

As far as that BD article I thought it was more of a put down of Charlie than anything else.

Jake
 
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Why would it help if Mike insisted on location? You can say your from Oz if you wanted to. Personally, I like this forum just the way it is!

As for Charlie, I don't know the man but it seems to me that his intentions were good but you know how intoxicating power is! I've been in supervisory and management positions for many years and every time someone first becomes a supervisor, they have to learn to deal with the power that comes with it. Almost everyone abuses it at first. The good ones, and there's very few of them, learn that the most important people are those they're supervising. Maybe Charlie would have gotten that with time. And, like the Womens' tour, an active player shouldn't run the organization.
 
Well Rick as a supervisor you know that good intentions are not worth squat if the person does not have the fortitude or ability or plan to follow through on the intentions. Absolutely nothing is accomplished with only good intentions.

I have to wonder why the UPA in its almost two year existence has never been able to find a pool hall to run a tournament of their own. To me that should have been their first objective. To build a core of pool rooms for their tournaments and then build from there. They had all the top players willing to play for them, all with visions of great things to come, all that was needed was a tour.

Could it be that the pool room owners just didn't trust CW? And didn't want any part of his tournaments? And maybe that is the real reason why CW is resigning in December. The BOD finally realized that CW has a more negative influence on the UPA than a positive one. And it is time for someone else to try and rescue
men's professional pool.

Jake
 
Jake,

I read an article in BD about Peg Ledman (spelling?) the head of the womens' tour. She quit playing so she'd have time to run the womens' tour. The article described how much work she puts in and how good at it she is. There is no way she could do everything this article said she did and be a player too. Her job is like that of a supervisor or a salaried worker, you keep working until the job is done and there's no overtime. This article painted a picture of a dedicated person willing to do whatever necessary to ensure the success of every tournament. Considering all that, she took charge of an organization that was already functioning and somewhat successful. Unlike the womens' association, the UPA does not come close to being successful on even a small scale, at least that's the impression I get.
 
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Are you speaking of the WPBA - I thought Ewa is the new President.

I think CW just got caught up in too much micromanaging. I see nothing wrong with him entering tournaments as long as he has someone else as the tour director. But he wants to control everything. Play, set up matches, make announcements, answer disputes, etc.

There are several successful tours that have players running them, but they have adequate help. The women's Spiritour is an example. They seem to be doing a fine job. But it does take a lot of work and dedication. And good help.

You have 40-50 players and they all want a couple minutes of your undivided attention. You give it to them and you run out of time. You don't give it to them and they feel they are being snubbed.

Jake
 
Kind of like a baseball game with one team's catcher also being the umpire for both sides :)
 
Charlie Williams' presence is missed at the U.S. Open because he is a professional pool player.


When his presidential term is complete, the UPA would benefit by having a president who does not participate in tournaments ranked by the UPA and who has been around the pool world a little longer than well-intentioned Charlie.

ManlyShot
 
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