Clashes being Sorted Out!
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spadevil said:
Awsome.
I saw you play at the World Championships a couple of years ago and was very impressed. I am happy that we have another great player contributing to this forum.
TheOne said:So youre saying the IPT looked at the WPA calendar, spent months working on venues and the schedule, made agreements with venues and press released the schedule. Took a couple of body blows from other TD's and forums....
...but it was all just a cunning plan to get the promoters talking so they could change it all later?
I am confused, according to KT they worked tirelessly working with other promoters to avoid conflicts. How come they couldn't come up with a solution to avoid the conflicts in "all those months of talking"? Yet they managed it in a couple of days, oh after two well know TD's from different countries came out and basically said KT is telling porky pies.
Me thinks your smoking something very strong Jake
But anyway, good news for everybody that this has been nipped in the bud early, there's a good chance this will never happen again now.
Maybe it was serendipity for all I know.
One thing I know for sure, the team that KT has put together is no half ass team. They know what they are doing. How to go about doing it. And apparently they get it done. Very typical of the professionals from Chicago and surroundings.
Now if Barry was in Orlando for the KOH then I am sure he talked with KT about the Open. If not then shame on him because KT sure did make himself available.
Anyway, everything is settled, and now there is the next qualifier to watch.
Upward and onward. Put on blinders and keep looking ahead.
Jake
wait a tick
Did I miss something or did the Mosconi Cup and the US Open change their dates, not the IPT?
Did the IPT do anything to rectify the situation?
Looks like in pool's game of Chicken, the IPT won. I can't say I blame the losers for flinching, but I'm not going to start praising the IPT for finding resolution when they did nothing (please correct me if they did indeed change dates).
Did I miss something or did the Mosconi Cup and the US Open change their dates, not the IPT?
Did the IPT do anything to rectify the situation?
Looks like in pool's game of Chicken, the IPT won. I can't say I blame the losers for flinching, but I'm not going to start praising the IPT for finding resolution when they did nothing (please correct me if they did indeed change dates).
spadevil said:
That was my take on it too, a bit of give and take from both sides. Bottom line is that even though we now know that both sides didn't talk before the IPT released the schedule, they are now.
This can only be good for pool, otherwise pool would have ended up being split. The last thing we need is for pool to end up like darts or other sports where they ahve two rival orgs and two world championships etc.
The UPA and Dragon Promotions have been doing that for some time and no one seemed to care. The other tours just changed their dates.
Let's face it, the big dog rules the pack.
Hey The One, it looks like someone in the IPT does take notice of your suggestions. Keep them coming. Pretty soon you will find less and less to complain about and will change over from the dark side and become an avid fan.
Or, perhaps you will go and qualify and be on the tour.
I see that the IPT has an ad on AZB for qualifier openings. I imagine that brings in a few pennies to Mike. How many other tours pay Mike for his advertising for them? Then too, maybe Mike runs that banner gratis.
Jake
Let's face it, the big dog rules the pack.
Hey The One, it looks like someone in the IPT does take notice of your suggestions. Keep them coming. Pretty soon you will find less and less to complain about and will change over from the dark side and become an avid fan.
Or, perhaps you will go and qualify and be on the tour.
I see that the IPT has an ad on AZB for qualifier openings. I imagine that brings in a few pennies to Mike. How many other tours pay Mike for his advertising for them? Then too, maybe Mike runs that banner gratis.
Jake
jjinfla said:
Jake you don't seem to read my posts very well. I am an IPT fan, but I don't see it as balck and white like many on here. KT is not the devil, and the IPT is not perfect. I want whats best for pool, not just for the IPT and its members. You want everyone to keep quite and worship at the knees of KT, luckily we didn't and now it looks like we have avoided the date clashes. Now suddenly everyone is celebrating which is right becauses its good for pool.
I may take part in qualifiers at the end of the year, this year I can make much more money from not playing in the IPT and I have other things I need to do. If he keeps his promises and the qualifiers are not to restrictive I probably will have a go. Like Ive said a million times the events look fantastic.
As for Mikes banners, Im not sure what point youre trying to make, but theyve been on his site for years now and many many events use them? Yes they are paid for, I think the rates are listed somewhere.
No Date Clashes, Real Choices for Real Players!
jjinfla said:
Correct me if I'm wrong - but it seems like not so long ago, the IPT schedule on their site was basically full of placeholders - no dates/locations, just lists of planned events.
Here's the thread on these very forums with the 'schedule announcement' - note that it's barely a week old:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=25917
I'd wager that the events that the IPT schedule conflicted with have (or rather, had) been scheduled quite a bit farther in advance - else the schedule conflict brouhaha wouldn't have occured, in that very same thread the same day.
If Tour X says they're not going to conflict with Tour Y, and Tour Y has an event scheduled, and then later, Tour X comes along and schedules an event that same day - well, do the math.
I'll qualify my whole reply here by saying I (and I'd wager, 99% of the other folks here) don't have enough of the hard facts in this situation to know what really occured. There's lots of speculation going on here, based on what facts (or what are percieved as facts) are available. I'm no different - I'm going on what I've read. And I like to keep a healthy amount of skepticism around, especially regarding something that hasn't really "happened" yet (i.e. the IPT tour itself). Believe me, I think it'd be great if it happens like people are saying/hoping. But until it does...
I'm a big fan of the phrase "Actions, not words".
ScottW said:
Nice summary Scott, its not rocket science but jake and a few others will swear blind it "aint so" though, but then Jake sent me a PM the other day telling the earth is flat!
I think KT tried his luck early on hoping he might get away with it but the actions of a few TD's and the pool playing world seems to have luckily changed his mind.
We may be entering a new Golden Era of pool, just imagine the calendar for next year:
9 Ball WPC
8 Ball WPC
14.1 WPC
US Open
BCA Open
9 Ball British Open
Derby City Classic
IPT US 8-Ball Open Championship
IPT Canadian 8-Ball Open Championship
IPT United Kingdom 8-Ball Open Championship
IPT European 8-Ball Open Championship
IPT Asian 8-Ball Open Championship
IPT Australian 8-Ball Open Championship
IPT World 8-Ball Open Championship
IPT Players 8-Ball Championship
IPT Masters 8-Ball Championship
IPT "King of the Hill" Invitational 8-Ball Shootout
Thats 17 events with significant prize money+, not to mention the Euro Tour, UPA Tour etc..
The likes of Reno Open, Japan Open etc. will seem like "small events"!
spadevil said:
I believe the UK date had an unconfirmed location. They really bent over backwards in changing that one.
I wonder if the WPBA has this much trouble when they schedule their tour for the year. Do they seek permission from any of the local tours before they make their selections?
I notice the Florida Pro Tour came out with the dates for their tour. They announced the first four dates. No conflict there. At least I don't think so. A lot of IPT players play on the FPT.
Now that I know that The One is totally for the IPT I will have to find someone else to debate.
Hmmmm. I cudda swore he was more anti IPT then pro IPT. This can't be a slick trick by The One to keep me off guard. He is pretty slick.
Jake
I notice the Florida Pro Tour came out with the dates for their tour. They announced the first four dates. No conflict there. At least I don't think so. A lot of IPT players play on the FPT.
Now that I know that The One is totally for the IPT I will have to find someone else to debate.
Hmmmm. I cudda swore he was more anti IPT then pro IPT. This can't be a slick trick by The One to keep me off guard. He is pretty slick.
Jake
jjinfla said:
Hey Jake see now you missed it again! I am not "totally for the IPT" Im "totally for pool". I have no idea what KT might do in the future so I can't take that stance
However apart from the hand picked 150 and the temp date clash it all looks pretty good so far.BTW, I'm telling you the earth is def round!
One More Thing...
Don't forget postponing the first full event 6 months because 8 of the handpicked 150 decided to drop out and the IPT had to rush around setting up qualifiers because people were complaining about the way the original players were selected. Even though KT doesn't listen to the "ordinary" people or read the internet forums.
But other than that, everything is fine...
TheOne said:Hey Jake see now you missed it again! I am not "totally for the IPT" Im "totally for pool". I have no idea what KT might do in the future so I can't take that stance
BTW, I'm telling you the earth is def round!
Don't forget postponing the first full event 6 months because 8 of the handpicked 150 decided to drop out and the IPT had to rush around setting up qualifiers because people were complaining about the way the original players were selected. Even though KT doesn't listen to the "ordinary" people or read the internet forums.
But other than that, everything is fine...
Jake, as far as the regional ladies tours and the WPBA, I believe the WPBA sets their schedule and the regional tours try their best to insure there are no conflicts.jjinfla said:
The regional tours are associated with the WPBA and, since prizes usually consist of a WPBA qualifier, they don't want any conflicts. They seem to handle all of this well.
I don't think too many people are concerned with conflicts between the IPT and regional tours, such as the Florida Pro Tour. I believe everyone is more concerned about conflicts between the IPT and the larger profile international tournaments, such as the U.S. Open, the Mosconi Cup and the World Championships.
If they could avoid all conflicts between the IPT and the major tournaments, that is the best we could ask for.
T
Timberly
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BS, there's been a TON of talk about the UPA & tournaments being scheduled at the same time others were scheduled. There wasn't AS much talk because they didn't schedule tournaments to overlap the US Open and large events. If I'm not mistaken, there was one yr that the UPA overlapped the DCC or something like that but it was before I had gotten back into pool.jjinfla said:
Either way, your statement above is incorrect. People did care & it was discussed.
Timberly said:
Exactly, I've been consistent and slating any tour that deliberately schedules date clashes and it doesn't help the PLAYERS or the FANS! It astounds me how biased some people can be when they come to a conclussion, it seem no amount of press releases or facts will change their mind. They can't see the woods for the trees quote springs to mind.
TheOne said:
If any of your International Party Tour dates clash with my Shanghai Pool League scheduled events, you're gonna come out with egg all over your face.
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