Exactly .. your taught to miss on the pro side.
"Clean" 8 Ball
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I wasn't. People tried showing me. I remember a buddy pointing at Keith on the toy table saying watch how he hits the corners. Every shot grazed the rails. That might have been how he had matched up but between tight Murreys and snooker tables and having already seen him fire in rack after rack rimless, I ignored it.
I taught myself not to miss period. It's a good work ethic for practice. Still working on it. lol...
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
I guess I can give a little personal insight on bar rules for ya. Played a guy “bar rules” a month or two ago. He wanted to play that way, and being me, I’ll agree to almost any terms including big spots if the money is there. We played a few games $10 a game. I was calling everything and winning. He even took it as far as only hitting the cb 4-5 inches a few times. I didn’t call him on it. So the first to last game I had a kickshot at the 8 ball. I called 2 rails with the cb as the 8 was near the rail and pocket. Made it. But it just so happened the cb double kissed the 8. So that’s a bad shot.
Well this dummy goes “that was no good. You didn’t call two rails” well I did call two rails and told him I did call 2 rails. Plus informed him he hadn’t called a shot yet. So we argued and I got the win. Had he said I double kissed the cb I would’ve agreed and lost!
Then the next game he goes “I get the last two balls and the 8 doesn’t count as one of them”. Ok why not. I was up and it was the last game. Well he missed his first to last ball then tried to say he won. Once again I had to explain the last two means you have to pocket one of them. He was pissed, but he did pay up.
I Grew up playing bar rules. Hard to get one over on me playing that way. And honestly afterwards I told him I didn’t want him to pay up the last game. He had already bought me 3-4 beers/shots and it was fun messing with him. That was enough for me. He insisted though.
Well this dummy goes “that was no good. You didn’t call two rails” well I did call two rails and told him I did call 2 rails. Plus informed him he hadn’t called a shot yet. So we argued and I got the win. Had he said I double kissed the cb I would’ve agreed and lost!
Then the next game he goes “I get the last two balls and the 8 doesn’t count as one of them”. Ok why not. I was up and it was the last game. Well he missed his first to last ball then tried to say he won. Once again I had to explain the last two means you have to pocket one of them. He was pissed, but he did pay up.
I Grew up playing bar rules. Hard to get one over on me playing that way. And honestly afterwards I told him I didn’t want him to pay up the last game. He had already bought me 3-4 beers/shots and it was fun messing with him. That was enough for me. He insisted though.
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I guess I can give a little personal insight on bar rules for ya. Played a guy “bar rules” a month or two ago. He wanted to play that way, and being me, I’ll agree to almost any terms including big spots if the money is there. We played a few games $10 a game. I was calling everything and winning. He even took it as far as only hitting the cb 4-5 inches a few times. I didn’t call him on it. So the first to last game I had a kickshot at the 8 ball. I called 2 rails with the cb as the 8 was near the rail and pocket. Made it. But it just so happened the cb double kissed the 8. So that’s a bad shot.
Well this dummy goes “that was no good. You didn’t call two rails” well I did call two rails and told him I did call 2 rails. Plus informed him he hadn’t called a shot yet. So we argued and I got the win. Had he said I double kissed the cb I would’ve agreed and lost!
Then the next game he goes “I get the last two balls and the 8 doesn’t count as one of them”. Ok why not. I was up and it was the last game. Well he missed his first to last ball then tried to say he won. Once again I had to explain the last two means you have to pocket one of them. He was pissed, but he did pay up.
I Grew up playing bar rules. Hard to get one over on me playing that way. And honestly afterwards I told him I didn’t want him to pay up the last game. He had already bought me 3-4 beers/shots and it was fun messing with him. That was enough for me. He insisted though.
Sounds like the guy was honorable, just ignorant!
Hu
Around this time is when I would have broken my cues down and left, never to return.
One of THE worst bar brawls i've ever seen was over nitty 8b rule shit. Guys were playing for like 5/game and ended up in the parking lot. everything but guns were in play. Insanity.
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
I honestly think that some of the bar rule stuff is just so people can try to bulldog more quiet people. They might even get a rise out of someone. I've never seen anything as bad as what you did, but I've seen two guys get in a fist fight at the table, it was broken up pretty quickly as the regulars were more chill types. The fighters got banned. I've also seen probably half a dozen screaming matches that seemed like they could have devolved into fisticuffs at any second. It's usually over something stupid, but with bar rules that's kind of the default. It encourages nittiness and nits gonna nit... then someone calls them out for "chicken shit" pool or something.
If I'm playing with friends, that are honorable, I actually don't mind bar rules type play. I just don't want to deal with drunks making rules up on the fly.
One thing that was kind of "forgotten" was that if your only OBs were in the kitchen after an opponent's scratch, including the 8, it got spotted and you shot behind the line. This one rule gets rid of a lot of the nittiness of purposely scratching. I like to add that to additional rules just so no funny business happens, but most people won't do it. Some you can convince by relating to them that surely they've played people who scratch on purpose. Some people don't get it or don't want to. I think they'd rather see if the person they are playing is "chicken shit" or not.
Played in a bar league that roamed the city. Every other week your bar team goes to another bar and plays them. One week your regulatlr, next some other bar.
Silly rules, no bih, no rail, no combo different balls with open table, and call shot on the 8. Also game loss if you call the 8 and scratch. But if you call safe on the eight and scratch you were fine. I wont play ever again. What a shitshow every week.
Had one guy get aggressive when i called the 8 clean. He interupted me to point out there were balls in the pocket so if i hit one amd drop the eight i would lose. Pockets were buckets, and blasted the eight full throttle. Clean. I asked him if that was clean enough, and he stomped off.
Fights were common in that league. I heard teams to fight their way out the door to leave. One guy took a chair home since he used it as a weapon to get out the door. I never had those issues though.
Long post to say, no more bar pool for me.
Silly rules, no bih, no rail, no combo different balls with open table, and call shot on the 8. Also game loss if you call the 8 and scratch. But if you call safe on the eight and scratch you were fine. I wont play ever again. What a shitshow every week.
Had one guy get aggressive when i called the 8 clean. He interupted me to point out there were balls in the pocket so if i hit one amd drop the eight i would lose. Pockets were buckets, and blasted the eight full throttle. Clean. I asked him if that was clean enough, and he stomped off.
Fights were common in that league. I heard teams to fight their way out the door to leave. One guy took a chair home since he used it as a weapon to get out the door. I never had those issues though.
Long post to say, no more bar pool for me.
Funny, but I see both sides on this because by calling it "clean" you certainly knew what it meant, but (at best) his clarification was to make it clear to himself that you knew what it meant.
I would say it's actually slightly better that he clarified it before you shot, as opposed to you actually clipping the other ball and then arguing about it. Could be his experience with others.
Picturing the scene, "Was that clean enough?" has me literally chuckling.
tomatoshooter
Well-known member
That's peak chicken shit. But they think gaining an advantage by screwing up is is good pool and gaining an advantage by your opponent screwing up is chicken shit. Being able to scratch and penalize your opponent by making him shoot out of the kitchen always stuck me as a clear flaw in the rules, before I had heard of ball in hand.
I think I learned it from the ding dong daddy himself lol Bert kinister
If it was to clarify it would have been cool. It was a sharky move to jump up and say aggressively, loud and animated "you know blah blah blah" when i was already down. I am as easygoing as they get. For me to respond like that is out of character. He was being an ass. Looked good on him.Funny, but I see both sides on this because by calling it "clean" you certainly knew what it meant, but (at best) his clarification was to make it clear to himself that you knew what it meant.
I would say it's actually slightly better that he clarified it before you shot, as opposed to you actually clipping the other ball and then arguing about it. Could be his experience with others.
Picturing the scene, "Was that clean enough?" has me literally chuckling.
The Eagles Club that I belong to has standardized 8-ball rules that they use, as the various clubs across the state have tournaments between the Clubs. Those rules do dictate that "the 8 has to go clean". In their version, that only means it can't touch another ball, nothing to do with which rails it touches.
It's really the only silly rule in their ruleset, in my opinion. Ball-in-hand, table open after the break no matter which ball you make, call the pocket for the 8... It's really not a big deal, so long as everyone knows going into it.
It's really the only silly rule in their ruleset, in my opinion. Ball-in-hand, table open after the break no matter which ball you make, call the pocket for the 8... It's really not a big deal, so long as everyone knows going into it.
I think ranting over the 8 ball is the bar rulist version of coming off the stall.Funny, but I see both sides on this because by calling it "clean" you certainly knew what it meant, but (at best) his clarification was to make it clear to himself that you knew what it meant.
I would say it's actually slightly better that he clarified it before you shot, as opposed to you actually clipping the other ball and then arguing about it. Could be his experience with others.
Picturing the scene, "Was that clean enough?" has me literally chuckling.
Bert Kinister was an encyclopedia of practical pool. The series cost too much at the time so I moved on. Picked up some trivia from a buddy who did buy in though.
Always been stubborn like that. Have this attitude that where I'm at is where my work is.
In those scenarios I just confidently say “contacting either rail connected to the pocket is considered incidental and doesn’t count”, borrowing from the vernacular of bank pool.
Using a four syllable word like "incidental" in bar pool? I'm pretty sure that's considered a foul right there!
Well. When you demonstrate a certain savoir-faire in front of the knuckle draggers they have no choice but to assume you know what you’re saying. Especially if you’ve already strung together more than 4 balls in a run.
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