Cliff Joyner

Diane

Diane

Straight Shooter
Just putting this out there that Cliff Joyner needs a sponsor for the last 2 IPT qualifiers (or 3 if you are willing to send him to the Netherlands!). As you all know he is highly qualified to win one of the remaining tour cards and he is willing to form a legal and binding contract with anyone willing to sponsor him. The tour card is worth a minimum of $100,000 for the year and we all know he would win more than that.
The sponsorship would have to include $2,000 for the entry fee and expense money for airfare, room, etc... The contract would be a percentage split for the entire year!
He is playing VERY well right now and just came in 2nd in Duluth, GA at a Viking 9-Ball stop with 79 players. He is not a big fan of 9-ball, but does like to play 8-ball because of it's strategy and pattern play.

Anyone interested can contact me, Diane Crane @ 678-977-8820 or e-mail me @ poolplayerdiane@yahoo.com

The next qualifier is @ Hard Times...
February 17-19, 2006
Location: Hard Times Billiards:17450 Bellflower Boulevard
Bellflower, CA 90706. Hotel info coming soon
Entry Fee: $2000- Must Register in Advance

Then this one...
Dates: February 24-26, 2006
Location: Country Club Billiards: 67 Parkhurst Road
Chelmsford, MA 01824 Hotel info coming soon
Entry Fee: $2000- Must Register in Advance
 
Diane said:
The tour card is worth a minimum of $100,000 for the year and we all know he would win more than that.
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On the banners up at The Pool Room in Marietta, GA, where the last qualifier was held a bit over a week ago, they read "$13,000 minimum" - nowhere near $100k.

I met Cliff briefly while attending that tournament - he's a hell of a shot and seemed like a good guy, as much as I can judge from 10 seconds of conversation. :P
 
Are you like his agent or something? Not trying to be smart...just curious. I'd really like to see Cliff in the IPT as well, but I couldn't sponsor him, even if I wanted too.
 
Cliff can crash on my couch for the Chelmsford event, so if anyone's willing to pay his entry fee we can talk co-sponsorship.

I'm thinking...70/30, haha.
 
why not stick up his own money?

why wouldn't he stick up his own money? if he is playing that great?
 
Everyone knows you can be the greatest poolplayer in the world and not make any money. Check and see how much Efren made last year; I'm sure after living expenses he didn't sock much away.
If you are not interested in sponsoring him, just don't reply...it's that simple.
 
No I am not his agent, just a friend trying to help a friend. I know he has paid his dues out here and he also has an excellent shot at winning the tour card. If I had the $, I would stake him no doubt
 
Diane said:
Everyone knows you can be the greatest poolplayer in the world and not make any money. Check and see how much Efren made last year; I'm sure after living expenses he didn't sock much away.
If you are not interested in sponsoring him, just don't reply...it's that simple.
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just think it is cheap and heartless in a sense.........but that i my opinion.....hey anyone want to sponser me????:)
 
time_is_now said:
just think it is cheap and heartless in a sense.........but that i my opinion.....hey anyone want to sponser me????:)
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What's so "cheap and heartless" about looking for a sponsor? Both parties get something in return for sponsorship. It's not charity.
 
ScottW said:
On the banners up at The Pool Room in Marietta, GA, where the last qualifier was held a bit over a week ago, they read "$13,000 minimum" - nowhere near $100k.

I met Cliff briefly while attending that tournament - he's a hell of a shot and seemed like a good guy, as much as I can judge from 10 seconds of conversation. :P
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At the tournament itself, Deno Andrews announced that ANY tour card was worth a minimum of $100,000. Each event is worth a minimum of $13,000 and I'm sure there are other incentives and bonuses. Do the math...
 
JPB said:
what kind of percentage for the year is he proposing?
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He is proposing 65% to himself and 35% to the sponsor. There would have to be a legal, binding contract drawn up to protect both parties. By the way, this split is for the entire year.
 
I hope this doesn't turn into another player bash but I want to play Devil's advocate...


This is the age old poolplayer/backer scenario. The only problem is that the backer assumes all the risk. He is the "investor". Now, if this were say, selling Real Estate or trading stocks/bonds, etc, the poolplayer would earn a commission or small percentage of the total pot. That would mean that the player would earn something like a 5% or 10% commission. The difference is that in Pool, most players feel that they are entitled to a 50/50 split or somewhere close to half of the winnings and none of the loses. That is a good deal for the player because he/she doesn't take on any risk, other than not getting paid.

So, other than just doing it to feel like you're part of the action (and there's nothing wrong with people that wanna do that), why would you want to do a business deal like that?!


Eric >inquiring mind
 
It seems to me this would be the safest scenario to back somebody (Cliff, or any other player for that matter). Because uou know Cliff is going to be giving it his all to try to earn that tour card...and I for one hope he gets it done.
 
Joyner is a very good player no doubt. He also is recognized as gambling big dollars on "action" wherever he goes. So, if he is so confident about his abilities, he can gamble his own money on trying to get onto the IBT.

Binding contracts or not, the logistics of trying to get paid what is owned you might prove difficult.



Eric. said:
I hope this doesn't turn into another player bash but I want to play Devil's advocate...


The difference is that in Pool, most players feel that they are entitled to a 50/50 split or somewhere close to half of the winnings and none of the loses. That is a good deal for the player because he/she doesn't take on any risk, other than not getting paid.

So, other than just doing it to feel like you're part of the action (and there's nothing wrong with people that wanna do that), why would you want to do a business deal like that?!


Eric >inquiring mind
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Eric. said:
I hope this doesn't turn into another player bash but I want to play Devil's advocate...


This is the age old poolplayer/backer scenario. The only problem is that the backer assumes all the risk. He is the "investor". Now, if this were say, selling Real Estate or trading stocks/bonds, etc, the poolplayer would earn a commission or small percentage of the total pot. That would mean that the player would earn something like a 5% or 10% commission. The difference is that in Pool, most players feel that they are entitled to a 50/50 split or somewhere close to half of the winnings and none of the loses. That is a good deal for the player because he/she doesn't take on any risk, other than not getting paid.

So, other than just doing it to feel like you're part of the action (and there's nothing wrong with people that wanna do that), why would you want to do a business deal like that?!


Eric >inquiring mind
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You have a very valid point! This is not for anyone that is looking for a long term investment plan...it's really more of helping a top player over a hurdle to possible great success. I'm know there were a few golfers that went through the same thing. Backers tend to get involved because they can't play at a high level and they also have a tendancy to like to gamble. Players do it obviously for the love of the game; it's a hard way to make an easy living!
This is the first time pool has had any serious money involved!
 
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